Being a man...

@relentless-red said
There is potentially an unresolvable conflict within this idea. Not because the idea is wrong imo, but because sometimes there is no right answer.

If you want men to view a quality as manly within your culture (e.g. integrity from Torunn's post) do you automatically create a different problem by inferring it is not equally possible in women. Is it possibly for a culture to view a quality as manly without harming the perception of women in the culture?

Would it not be better to assume that the best qualities of humans could be found in either men or women, without assigning them to either one singularly?

@suzianne said
Would it not be better to assume that the best qualities of humans could be found in either men or women, without assigning them to either one singularly?

If you can assume that the quality will become desirable to men in the culture when presented that way, yes. But, will it make many men move away from the quality in favour of others that they consider manly?

@very-rusty said
I believe that a man should be there for his children and wife and always show them love and support. "A man's got to do what man's got to do", is an expression that has been around for years. Said to mean that you will do whatever you have to do, even if it is difficult or dangerous. Your family comes before yourself.

-VR

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@torunn said
What is it like being a man? "Be a man", we hear as to encourage men to be a certain way. "A man's got to do what a man's got to do." As a woman, I can't help wondering: what is it like being a man? What do men feel is expected of them other than just being human?

I see my role as protector to all my family as the oldest living male in the badger line my son is ready to step in if needed,I have on many occasions had to step up( not bragging) it just had to be done.

@suzianne said
Would it not be better to assume that the best qualities of humans could be found in either men or women, without assigning them to either one singularly?

Indeed.

One of our problems is that there is aninterdependence between aspects of physis, psyche and sociological environment (e.g. role).

So we would hae to clear up what qualities are really "pure" male or female ones (If any).

@ponderable said
Indeed.

One of our problems is that there is aninterdependence between aspects of physis, psyche and sociological environment (e.g. role).

So we would hae to clear up what qualities are really "pure" male or female ones (If any).

And also clear up what qualities are needed in modern cultures where men don't need to be physically strong and women don't have to be obedient.

@lotte21 said
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@torunn said
And also clear up what qualities are needed in modern cultures where men don't need to be physically strong and women don't have to be obedient.

There is less physical strength required to work. For example there is better lifting equipment in hospitals, but I think there are still a good number of jobs that need strength. The curious thing is that as strength becomes less important people seem to be more interested in working out, sculpting bodies, body art etc. Or does the media just make it appear that way?

BTW I specifically chose the example of hospital jobs because they illustrate how many jobs that were traditionally female in fact required strength. Transferring adults from beds to trolleys etc. Domestic work is also very physically demanding and has been traditionally female.

@relentless-red said
There is less physical strength required to work. For example there is better lifting equipment in hospitals, but I think there are still a good number of jobs that need strength. The curious thing is that as strength becomes less important people seem to be more interested in working out, sculpting bodies, body art etc. Or does the media just make it appear that way? ...[text shortened]... to trolleys etc. Domestic work is also very physically demanding and has been traditionally female.

... and less payed as a consequence. 🙂

@torunn said
... and less payed as a consequence. 🙂

I heard somebody theorise that medical school intake was now 70% female because society's perception of doctors had changed from well paid professionals to a caring vocation that does not reward you financially for the amount you have to give of yourself. The suggestion was that it was now in line with roles traditionally taken by females, rather than an example of women gaining an equal place in the professional world.

@relentless-red said
I heard somebody theorise that medical school intake was now 70% female because society's perception of doctors had changed from well paid professionals to a caring vocation that does not reward you financially for the amount you have to give of yourself. The suggestion was that it was now in line with roles traditionally taken by females, rather than an example of women gaining an equal place in the professional world.

In the US, doctors still make alot of money. Maybe it is different in countries where doctors for the most part work for the government.

If you look at the numbers, women have a higher academic achievement rate than men in general.

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Maybe, if the women picked up chess at a later stage in life. Some men can be like that.