DD posted a link to a porn site. This clearly breached the TOS.
The owners of the site, which is a place of business, did exactly what they should have done, which was to terminate the poster's contract.
There have now been multiple threads dragging up censorship, denial of justice, excessive punishment, etc etc etc and a lot of people have used up a lot of words.
On a scale of one to ten, this issue would have to rank somewhere around 0.14.
Are we all so bored with our lives that we need to keep it going on... and on... and on... and on... and on... and on... ?
I've given this some serious thought last night. And it seems to me that some important factors aren't being taken into account.
One thing is certainly the community factor. RHP is a community and people experience it as such. Obviously it's a little hypocrite of myself, but I think it is partly due to moderation. Because you can't post "anything you want", people function within limits. Some, like myself, like pushing borders to see how far you can go. And yes, sometimes you go over the line. If there's no line to go over, there's nothing to push against. But nothing remains contained either.
Now, I've made good (if not close) friends here on the site and to me chess is just the engine to maintain these friends. I'm sure lots of people feel the same (even though they probably have a greater love of chess than myself).
So, if even people who have good social lives come here to meet friends, there's a good chance that most people have friends here to some extent.
It's very easy to get carried away. I know from my own experiences that when I'm in a mood, I get swept away with creativity and obstinacy. And the internet is so full of hypes that you can't miss them. I can quite imagine the ease in which someone would think something a good, a funny or a shocking idea and post in the spirit of the moment.
And obviously the mods and the admins have an obligation to every user to keep things within the lines (like I've said, that's partly responsible for making RHP a community with people who have been posting for years). But to excommunicate someone for a lack of judgement? I find that quite terrifying.
The last thing I'll say on this matter is that I would think it good (Christmas) spirit to be forgiving in this case.
Originally posted by shavixmirLinking to scat porn, and vomit eating in a forum with kids in it, is "bad judgement" ???
I've given this some serious thought last night. And it seems to me that some important factors aren't being taken into account.
One thing is certainly the community factor. RHP is a community and people experience it as such. Obviously it's a little hypocrite of myself, but I think it is partly due to moderation. Because you can't post "anything you w is that I would think it good (Christmas) spirit to be forgiving in this case.
Remind me never to lend you my car 😛
Originally posted by shavixmirNice post shav - gets a rec.
I've given this some serious thought last night. And it seems to me that some important factors aren't being taken into account.
One thing is certainly the community factor. RHP is a community and people experience it as such. Obviously it's a little hypocrite of myself, but I think it is partly due to moderation. Because you can't post "anything you w is that I would think it good (Christmas) spirit to be forgiving in this case.
I too have reflected on this and was privvy to that link. It was pretty gross - right up there - but I realised really quickly what it was descending into and closed the link.
Probably a hard call but that was the call and realistically speaking, we all know where that line is, and DD stepped over it by a country mile.
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It has been said before, but I'll say it again:
The owners of this site and all affiliated domains try very hard to keep this site rated 'safe for work' and a 'family site'.
This is the reason swear words, racist phrases and porn links etc. aren't allowed.
The moderators try their utmost best to keep a balance between absolutely zero tolerance and forums that move outside said 'safe' realms.
People crying free speech etc. should please keep this in mind.
Russ doesn't want to take any chances, so if you want to discuss or post this kind of material, there are a myriad of forums, blogs etc. where you can do that.
As long as the owners here stay the same, these rules will be enforced.
Everybody agreed to the terms of service when joining the site, so if you step over the line, you may be removed from this site, no matter how far over this imaginary line you perceived it to be.
Originally posted by cmsMasterMost older people have the experience to make informed judgements that most 15 year olds cannot. In fact I have seen a level of immaturity in 18-21 year olds that beggars belief. 15 year olds are children and just because they think they are not does not make it that way. You indicate you are 18 but unfortunately are still displaying an immature childs attitute to this rather than a responsible adult one which tends to support the point.
15 year olds can't do those things because older people say they can't. And I promise you, I could have made a much more informed voting decision at 15 than at least 75% of adults. I also could drive better at 15 than at least 50% of adults. Oh, so doing "*adult things*" doesn't make you an adult? Really, then what does? Being 18? So when I turned 18 y think that DD deserves to have his account indefinitely banned for posting that link?
If you ask me the drinking age should be raised to 21 everywhere, sex should be illegal under 18 with tough penalties whether consensual or not (not a gaol sentence or fine where 2 under 18s are involved but something appropriate), no one should be allowed to drive under 25 without a qualified driver over 25 in the car and that qualified driver takes responsibility for any infringments. The voting age should be at least 21 and then only those people that have responsible jobs.
I don't have a hang up about porn but children should be protected from it otherwise they grow up believing that the things they see in these sort of videos are normal when they are not - the makers simply get over more depraved in their efforts to shock.
Of course one wonders whether the participants in this filth were really willing participants or were they coerced or forced in some way. I somehow doubt if this was something done willingly and even slightly enjoyed. I would like to see the makers caught and prosecuted and this type of thing eliminated from the internet.
Freedom of speech and expression does not come into this when the minds of our children are being twisted and the freedoms and rights of the participants are ignored. This filth comes into the same category as "kiddy porn" where the participants are equally unwilling and being exploited by others.
Follow these freedoms to their logical conclusion and you can begin to understand the "rights" of people to fly airliners into tall buildings. When I see this sort of thing on the internet and people in our liberal western democracies defending someones right to make, post and view it I can begin to understand why Islamic Fundamentalists hate us and feel they have the right (no obligation) to send suicide bombers into our midst.
Originally posted by cmsMasterI'm 15 and totally agree with that statement
Jesus Christ, why don't you understand that 15 year olds AREN'T kids, as much as you want them to be? Hell, at 15 I was doing stuff that could never be classified as "kid stuff" - if you catch my drift.
IDK about you, but I'd seen porn by 13..I mean at least playboy, kids aren't so innocent, dude.
You really think that a 15 or 16 year old doesn't kn ...[text shortened]... ity at that point in their life to be careful of what random links they click on.
Originally posted by HurricaneConway125That's fine... have you also shared this info with your parents... or with your friend's parents? Are they fine with you looking at porn, talking about drugs and other things you would find on an 18+ site?
I'm 15 and totally agree with that statement
If so, those parents are not doing their jobs.
I know what 15 year old kids do, but I don't think they're sharing that info with their parents or with the general public... and regardless what you do, you can't say it's true of every 15 year old. Some 15 year olds would lose their computer for weeks if not months if their parents knew what they were doing with it... and RHP doesn't want to lose it's work and kid safe identity.
Rules are rules, I hope you have some. I know I did when I was a kid.
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Originally posted by Dragon FireI don't see how you can say that I'm exhibiting immaturity to any degree by stating what my opinions on free speech and freedom of actions are. I like how you say that I'm "displaying an immature child's [attitute] to this rather than a responsible adult one which tends to support the point" which makes no sense at all. My stance has nothing to do with a level of maturity or immaturity in this situation, I simply like having as many rights as I can without causing chaos.
Most older people have the experience to make informed judgements that most 15 year olds cannot. In fact I have seen a level of immaturity in 18-21 year olds that beggars belief. 15 year olds are children and just because they think they are not does not make it that way. You indicate you are 18 but unfortunately are still displaying an immature childs a ...[text shortened]... ate us and feel they have the right (no obligation) to send suicide bombers into our midst.
I don't really care what you think about laws and limitations - you're wrong anyway. The drinking age being 21 here in America is a mistake and a joke - nobody follows it anyway.
Yeah, "children should be protected from porn" but where exactly do you draw the line? As in, when exactly should they stop being protected? 18? You can put any age on it, they'll still experience the exact same shock when they first view it. A person who sees porn for the first time at 18 should experience the same degree of shock as a person who sees it for the first time at 13 - so why does it really even matter?
You have no knowledge to say that those weren't willing actors - I assume that they are, especially since they're old enough to make their own decisions.
Hahahaha, this has NOTHING to do with "Islamic Fundamentalists" but good job dragging the discussion into a totally unrelated and murky category. If they hate us because we believe in free speech, then THEY'RE the ones who need to sort their sht out, not us.
Originally posted by PhlabibitGood point, but exposure is necessary, those parents need to discuss these things with their children and point out what's wrong with it. It's similar to the abstinence/birth control debate. Schools can preach abstinence all they want, but being educated on all methods of birth control is the best option. Parents should be able to tell their kids about what's on the internet, and be there to know what they're kids are doing - and from that knowledge lead them.
That's fine... have you also shared this info with your parents... or with your friend's parents? Are they fine with you looking at porn, talking about drugs and other things you would find on an 18+ site?
If so, those parents are not doing their jobs.
I know what 15 year old kids do, but I don't think they're sharing that info with their parents ...[text shortened]... dentity.
Rules are rules, I hope you have some. I know I did when I was a kid.
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I have and have always had rules, I've just always been able to discuss certain things more freely with my family than these clowns apparently have.
Originally posted by cmsMasterYou are I am afraid wrong and the older you get the more you will realise that to be the case. Free speech is fine - I totally believe in that! We all have a right to our opinions and I believe in that also. The beauty of our democracy is that we can have differing opinions and respect each other for that and that we do not hate our political opposites. I am a Conservative and proud of it! I think Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are misguided fools and I wish they were not governing us but that is the view of the majority and I respect them for that. I do not hate Labour and Liberal Democrat voters and in fact count them amoung my friends as we have more in common than otherwise.
I don't see how you can say that I'm exhibiting immaturity to any degree by stating what my opinions on free speech and freedom of actions are. I like how you say that I'm "displaying an immature child's [attitute] to this rather than a responsible adult one which tends to support the point" which makes no sense at all. My stance has nothing to do with a ve in free speech, then THEY'RE the ones who need to sort their sht out, not us.
... but when it comes to our children and preparing them to face the world and create a better place in which we all can live in peace harmony and security we need to draw a line and accept until they can understand things properly and form sensible rational mature decisions we need to protect them from a lot of our evil and corrupt world. Guidelines on what is acceptable on porn and violence, drink and driving ages is there to protect children from themselves.
I have seen too many lives destroyed by drink (my ex wife was an alcoholic who died at 35) to know that youngsters need protecting. The drinking age here is 18 but it is too young as our lives are blighted by immature marauding gangs of 18 year old yobs every Friday and Saturday night.
The death toll on our roads is unacceptably high and all statistics show that the majority of serious accidents are caused by young (under 25) male drivers.
When youngsters view porn before they know what is normal and acceptable behaviour their view of reality is distorted and they believe what they see is normal acceptable behavour so that is translated into their everyday life. They begin to view women and children as utensils to fulfil their foul demands without any rights of their own.
The merchants of porn will stop at no lengths to extend their perverse domains stoopping every lower on the tree of life and they force others to do their bidding, maybe with drugs, maybe they just kidnap them and kill them when they have finished, maybe they are illegal immigants too scared to say no! Who knows but I very much doubt the 2 women in that film were acting their part consentually and therefore the clip should not have been made. Besides it was depraved - what sort of idea will it give a 13 year old watching it? Clearly you, at 18 view it as acceptable but I wonder how many over 30s do!
We need to draw a line and I am glad it was drawn here and drawn quickly.
... and yes this filth does make Islamic Fundamentalists think we are depraved and give them an excuse for their depraved actions and so the cycle is perpetuated.
