06 Jan 22
@blood-on-the-tracks saidI agreed with the refs yellow. He jumped with his arms out to fend off the approaching defender from going through him, as most players do (with eyes on the ball).
I was putting forward a hypothetical situation. By your argument here, one 'dissenting ' pundit amongst any number makes VAR wrong to change it. Apparently.
As for your argument that Henderson's opinion carried more weight than Shearer's because he has won more, I assume you threw it in to be provocative. It is ludicrous.
By the way, do YOU believe it wasn't even a yellow card, as opined by your learned midfielder?
He did not thrust an elbow at the opponent. There was no violent conduct or intent to injure.
A lot of similar incidents are described as orangish but there is no clear and obvious mistake for VAR to overrule. The overruling of the non clear and obvious just takes you back to the BS that was ruining EPL last season.
06 Jan 22
@relentless-red saidHe blatantly did thrust his elbow and it is obviously with intent.
He did not thrust an elbow at the opponent. There was no violent conduct or intent to injure.
I would concede that it wasn’t brutal but it was done with intent as was a red card.
06 Jan 22
@blood-on-the-tracks saidIt is ludicrous, but in my experience of debating with Relentless Red it wasn’t done to be provocative, it was driven by his wrapped sense of self assurance and lack of objectivity.
As for your argument that Henderson's opinion carried more weight than Shearer's because he has won more, I assume you threw it in to be provocative. It is ludicrous.
06 Jan 22
@divegeester saidThis will go round in circles, but watch a few incidents where players thrust their elbow at the defender; sometimes causing sickening depressed fractures. There is none of that. The arm goes out with the jump, the elbow isn't thrust at the arriving player.
He blatantly did thrust his elbow and it is obviously with intent.
I would concede that it wasn’t brutal but it was done with intent as was a red card.
06 Jan 22
@divegeester saidNotice yourself taking your argument into the domain of the personal comment. It doesn't appear to others as you might believe and no it really isn't 'forensic forum analysis'.
It is ludicrous, but in my experience of debating with Relentless Red it wasn’t done to be provocative, it was driven by his wrapped sense of self assurance and lack of objectivity.
@relentless-red saidBotT accused you of posting disingenuously in order to be be provocative. I’m helping correct his misperception of why you posted the way you did.
Notice yourself taking your argument into the domain of the personal comment. It doesn't appear to others as you might believe and no it really isn't 'forensic forum analysis'.
Anyway I shall look forward to none of your posts containing “personal comment” as clearly this is something you are firmly against.
06 Jan 22
@relentless-red saidOf course it’s going to go around in circles.
This will go round in circles, but watch a few incidents where players thrust their elbow at the defender; sometimes causing sickening depressed fractures. There is none of that. The arm goes out with the jump, the elbow isn't thrust at the arriving player.
Using your analogy; I’d say that what makes this exchange interesting however is that it’s more of an ellipse (keeping with the theme), with your trajectory arcing close to blinkered partisan bias.
06 Jan 22
@divegeester saidSomething I rarely do unless provoked into reaction against a battery of personal comments.
Anyway I shall look forward to none of your posts containing “personal comment” as clearly this is something you are firmly against.
Ignore the incident for a minute. Would you agree with the general principle that if fending off with the hand becomes confused with serious foul play the game would be reduced to a farce with red cards all over the place?
@relentless-red saidYes I’d agree with that. But it wasn't fending off, it was a pretty wild targeted lunge with a back swing of the arm included.
Something I rarely do unless provoked into reaction against a battery of personal comments.
Ignore the incident for a minute. Would you agree with the general principle that if fending off with the hand becomes confused with serious foul play the game would be reduced to a farce with red cards all over the place?
He knew exactly what he was doing but was smart enough to not go full smash. In my honest opinion it was a red card and he was fortunate to get away with it.
I don’t feel aggrieved from a result pov though, Pool had Chelsea on the ropes but Chelsea were stronger overall and fought back for a point. Pool should have won the game and didn’t. That’s probably the more significant story.
06 Jan 22
@divegeester saidIf Chelsea take 3 points off City and we do the same it opens it up again though. I think people who are looking at the table and giving it to City didn't watch their performances against Arsenal and Wolves, but they are showing the getting over the line quality.
Yes I’d agree with that. But it wasn't fending off, it was a pretty wild targeted lunge with a back swing of the arm included.
He knew exactly what he was doing but was smart enough to not go full smash. In my honest opinion it was a red card and he was fortunate to get away with it.
I don’t feel aggrieved from a result pov though, Pool had Chelsea on the ropes b ...[text shortened]... for a point. Pool should have won the game and didn’t. That’s probably the more significant story.
I argued with a friend who wanted a red for Mount flicking his foot toward Tsimikas when he was on the floor, a bit like the Beckham flick of the foot at Simeone in 98 that ruined the world cup.
We'll agree to differ, but in general I don't think lowering the threshold for reds helps football. I saw no elbow thrust into the face.
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06 Jan 22
@relentless-red saidIndeed it is.
The argument that if you add Jermaine Jenas to Alan Shearer you get 50 is just plain wrong.
You should, of course, have said 'add to 49 '. Neville is the 50th
06 Jan 22
@blood-on-the-tracks saidCan't argue with that. 😉
Indeed it is.
You should, of course, have said 'add to 49 '. Neville is the 50th
(Meanwhile in the real world the total was of course three pundits if you don't count Carra as he's ex-Liverpool, but he's pretty objective and doesn't always argue for Liverpool.)
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Thanks for bringing us back to the 'real world '. You quite sure only 3 'pundits' passed opinion on the red card? Don't have Sky myself, but was Neville the only 'pundit' on there for that game? Must be other outlets too.
As for 'Carra', yep, lovable scouser. Unbiased. Prone to spit at other fans who dare to taunt him about Liverpool losses despite that lack of bias. Nice.
