Chelsea v Liverpool

@Blood-On-The-Tracks
Moving on, I would be interested on your take on the whole Brian Clough and Peter Taylor thing. There seem to be a range of theories on the market.

Perhaps Brian Clough was a genius, but needed Peter Taylor's calming influence to function and when Taylor got sick of that role and left, Clough hit the bottle?

Perhaps Clough was taking the credit for what were Taylor's achievements and Taylor got sick of that and left to expose the reality of the situation?

Rafa Benitez got off to a great start at Liverpool in 2005 winning the European Cup after winning La Liga against the odds at Valencia. A year later his long time assistant walked out on him and made some public comment about a lack of winning mentality. Rafa hasn't achieved too much since. Interestingly Rafa is a chess player who I have heard described as setting up teams like pieces on a board, but relying on others completely to fill gaps in man management and motivating players.

@Relentless-Red

Put simply, I think Taylor was the great 'buyer', the one who spotted the talent, often in lower League. Once at the club, Clough used his legendary man management/motivation to turn many sow's ears into silk purses.

Obviously, once they parted ways, they each lost a strength. Forest's transfer success dipped dramatically after Taylor left (although there were still notable exceptions, Pearce, Webb, etc).

I think the roots of Clough's drinking go way back, to his mid/late 20s and the injury that ended his playing career. Duncan Hamilton's book on Clough pulls no punches on his drinking in the late 80s/early 90s

@relentless-red said
Somebody has to. The Cristiano Ronaldo fans certainly won't remember the allegations that he walked away from for you.

@relentless-red said
You can spot humour??

@divegeester said
Did he spit at a family too?

@relentless-red said
No, it was rape allegations.

A Liverpool player spat at a family and collapsed in a public slurry of self pity and panic..

Oh but look at these other people and how bad they are…

@divegeester said
Yes I remember it well, I just wanted to see you write the word “allegations” and see if in writing it you would differentiate between an “allegation” and a youtube video of Carragher actually spitting at a family.

You didn’t, which was what I had my money on.

@relentless-red said
Opens up a whole other debate about multimillionaires who have successfully walked away from allegations about sexual offences. Maybe it would have been more difficult in recent years. Maybe even royalty can no longer do it??

@divegeester said
You should start a thread on that “whole other debate” of the rich and allegations and getting off with stuff. Maybe you will even have new evidence against Ronaldo.

Currently we are discussing a world famous Liverpool player and ambassador for the club spitting at a family.

@relentless-red said
Actually we're currently in a Chelsea v Liverpool thread. BOTT took us on a tangent by bringing up Carra's action which I haven't defended. I did think taking it off topic in that direction whilst using the 'lovable scouser' prefix was shyte stirring, but I've not said what Carra did was okay. You want to rejoice in it for seven more pages fill your boots, but I'm not really sure it makes it a red card for Mané in the Chelsea v Liverpool match.

@divegeester said
The thread is about the Liverpool Chelsea but the current topic is actually about your partisan bias and how it impacts your judgment and posting with a contextual example of how you are trying diffuse accountability for a Liverpool ambassador spitting at a family.

You are trying to deflect from that scrutiny of JC by bringing in a slew of examples of other players wh ...[text shortened]... artisan mindset which infects your posting about football. I’m aware that you find it uncomfortable.

@relentless-red said
Nah, you're just trying to turn the thread to your assumptions about another posters character and behaviour, because that's what you like to do. (and no, it really isn't 'forensic forum analysis' )

@divegeester said
Whereas tying to mitigate the disgusting behaviour of a Liverpool ambassador by “dredging up” (to use you adjective from earlier when JC’s behaviour was floated) unproven rape allegations made against a non Liverpool player is acceptable to you…

And therein lies your continued hypocrisy Relentless Red.

@relentless-red said
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