23 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI need an example of something I think I know but really don't know. Otherwise I feel things you do know you know, while things you don't know you don't.
[b]Point: "Everything is easily understood (if it's ever eventually and fully
understood at all) in context. Only in context. You agree? Disagree?"
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23 Feb 10
don't worry about the msn thing, that drying up thing happens all the time on msn and chat, its a completely different dynamic that actually talking to someone in person. Its like in a txt message sometimes you can't tell if people are getting smart or trying to be funny but in person you could tell straight away.
good job, try get some talk time in with her too though, as you can't really talk in the cinema itself but maybe meet up a bit earlier than the movie or similar.
What does kl mean by the way?
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23 Feb 10
Originally posted by homedepotovWho are you talking to? It doesn't seem to fit anything said in this thread.
don't worry about the msn thing, that drying up thing happens all the time on msn and chat, its a completely different dynamic that actually talking to someone in person. Its like in a txt message sometimes you can't tell if people are getting smart or trying to be funny but in person you could tell straight away.
good job, try get some talk time in ...[text shortened]... but maybe meet up a bit earlier than the movie or similar.
What does kl mean by the way?
23 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby"Only in Context" is certainly a loaded phrase. Whose context? I submit to you that there is no subjective reality, and everything is skewed by our personal frame of reference.
[b]Everything is easily understood...
Everything is easily understood (if it's ever eventually and fully understood at all) in context. Only in context. Doesn't really matter what it is... any and all problematical chess board positions; stated/unstated topics or mixed motivations underlying internet bulletin board and public forum thr ...[text shortened]... any sense at all. You agree? Disagree? ~gb
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23 Feb 10
Originally posted by PhlabibitPhlab, an absolutely open minded/perfectly honest/ thinking out loud objective question. You already gave a great example with the exciting hockey game for non-hockey players or fans. With the two of us it's a tad more difficult because, by definition, we can both only understand the point regarding 'only in context' with respect to our observations of third parties. Examples of "... things we think we know but really don't know" for both of us are literally impossible. We both lack the frame of reference and adequate sense of context to objectively consider or accept them in the first place. I read your posts about music but don't really always grasp what your saying. Same probably happens with you trying to understand me. To you and to me our areas of partial or total ignorance are blindspots. Maybe a backward glance will help us both. Dare say there was a time in our childhoods when we fully believed chocolate was absolutely the greatest thing in the world. At the time, neither of us could even spell 'sex' or hundred other things we've since come to value and appreciate. Again, your reply is right on the money of the thread topic. Thanks.
I need an example of something I think I know but really don't know. Otherwise I feel things you do know you know, while things you don't know you don't.
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23 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThis is what I don't follow:
Phlab, an absolutely open minded/perfectly honest/ thinking out loud objective question. You already gave a great example with the exciting hockey game for non-hockey players or fans. With the two of us it's a tad more difficult because, by definition, we can both only understand the point regarding [b]'only in context' with respect to our observati ...[text shortened]... e and appreciate. Again, your reply is right on the money of the thread topic. Thanks.[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Out of context, most all of what we imagine we perceive in our immediate circle of the larger world makes little if any sense at all. You agree? Disagree? ~gb
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Are you saying we don't understand a lot of what we see every day? I find that hard to believe, since when there is something I do NOT understand I will take time to first look, and next learn if I can. If it was a BIG MYSTERY, I'd ask around for sure.
Is there something I'm not following?
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23 Feb 10
Originally posted by duecerSimplify, Duecer. Somebody who had never visited New England would struggle
"Only in Context" is certainly a loaded phrase. Whose context? I submit to you that there is no subjective reality, and everything is skewed by our personal frame of reference.
to appreciate your descriptions of the foliage, mountains, lobster or Cape Cod.
Edit: "Whose context?"... the actual context of the person, place, thing, fact, taste, truth, etc, itself.
23 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI don't agree. Everything I know about the Northern Lights I learned from Noodles, and I feel like I've stood below them and didn't miss a bit of their heavenly glory.
Simplify, Duecer. Somebody who had never visited New England would struggle
to appreciate your descriptions of the foliage, mountains, lobster or Cape Cod.
Edit: "Whose context?"... the actual context of the person, place, thing, fact, taste, truth, etc, itself.
Perhaps you've been spending too much time concentrating on the finger pointing to the subject, rather than the subject itself.
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23 Feb 10
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Originally posted by PhlabibitWelcome your persistence, Phlabibit. Politicians and others frequently use the phrase, "Perception is reality." Think about how various wool is pulled down over the eyes of decent and yet unsuspecting and helpless people. Perception isn't necessarily always reality. Reality in any realm is what it is irrespective of what some well intentioned or devious blowhard may attempt to say or do to convince people otherwise, i.e., the townspeople fawning in unison over the emperor's imaginary new clothes. So we get deceived as well as self deceived. Bear in mind that the most difficult part of learning anything is the painful process of unlearning involved. Closer to home: RHP Members we think we've sized up and know. Often when I see strange or seemingly destructive or downright stupid behavior... I stop to consider the fact that the behavior is quite real and something real, in a real context, is fueling it... something real, painful, burdensome, heavy that I'm failing to appreciate and may never even come to know. That realization is 40% of the reason I cut people slack (40% because of principle, 15% because it's how I roll, 5% because I'm a nice guy). ~gb
This is what I don't follow:
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]Out of context, most all of what we imagine we perceive in our immediate circle of the larger world makes little if any sense at all. You agree? Disagree? ~gb
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Are you saying we don't understand a lot of what we see every day ...[text shortened]... t was a BIG MYSTERY, I'd ask around for sure.
Is there something I'm not following?
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23 Feb 10
Originally posted by PhlabibitNo contradiction whatever. Experience it first hand is one way. We can also learn and be taught.
I don't agree. Everything I know about the Northern Lights I learned from Noodles, and I feel like I've stood below them and didn't miss a bit of their heavenly glory.
Perhaps you've been spending too much time concentrating on the finger pointing to the subject, rather than the subject itself.
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My brief comment to Duecer was predicated on the premise of a total stranger to New England
23 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDid you ever consider some people are engaged in a certain ways because things THEY do? Not everyone who takes a run at someone had a bad day or is battling cancer.
Welcome your persistence, Phlabibit. Politicians and others frequently use the phrase, "Perception is reality." Think about how various wool is pulled down over the eyes of decent and yet unsuspecting and helpless people. Perception isn't necessarily always reality. Reality in any realm is what it is irrespective of what some well intentioned or devious ...[text shortened]... % because of principle, 15% because it's how I roll, 5% because I'm a nice guy).
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23 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyyes, but is the foliage beautiful? By whose standard? I'm reminded of the saying: one man's junk is another man's treasure. The context is not subjective, ergo we can understand all things regardless of context, we simply understand them based on our own version of truth
Simplify, Duecer. Somebody who had never visited New England would struggle
to appreciate your descriptions of the foliage, mountains, lobster or Cape Cod.
Edit: "Whose context?"... the actual context of the person, place, thing, fact, taste, truth, etc, itself.
24 Feb 10
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo the next obvious question--- as far as I can see--- is how one goes about aligning themselves with the correct context.
[b]Everything is easily understood...
Everything is easily understood (if it's ever eventually and fully understood at all) in context. Only in context. Doesn't really matter what it is... any and all problematical chess board positions; stated/unstated topics or mixed motivations underlying internet bulletin board and public forum thr ...[text shortened]... any sense at all. You agree? Disagree? ~gb
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