02 Sep 05
Originally posted by 24Be sure to resign against your opponents and not leave them waiting for the time-out.
I am leaving the site in disgust. and hope that I am not alone in doing so.
Russ or whoever has seriously miscalculated here and I sincerely hope that it backfires on them big time.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by ExyYour rating is high enough to not use simple explanations, If you have doubt.. then I guess you can submit edvidence prooving he's innocent.
The "Games" themselves are not evidence without the tools and the hours of analysis to show proof of guilt.
What's your definition of "layman's terms"?! 😕
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by CenterNutJust how sure are you about that?
At this present time IM31 has been found guilty and sentenced.. If he wants to appeal im sure he can.
What he can do is simply resubscribe under a different name and e-mail address. That would be the more intelligent route to take.
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by CenterNutThat's not my point though is it? I know I can go through the games myself, but you and I could also decide to organise a tournament and manually calculate the groups and keep a tally of the results on paper and post it in the General forum, but I'd rather let the site manage those sort of things, that's one of the reasons I pay my subs to Russ.
Your rating is high enough to not use simple explanations, If you have doubt.. then I guess you can submit edvidence prooving he's innocent.
The same is true of the Game Mods, if they want to get a "buy in" from the site's users then just posting a listing of 5 names in an off the beaten track area is not a good advertisement for their hard work. Gatecrasher seems to agree with me that something more official and visibly placed, that outlines their role and gives an insight (not exact details) of their methods and burden of proof would go a long way to do this.
Apart from the names of the guilty, one paragraph per case, giving a statistic of the number of games where the evidence was overwhelming, backed up by move ratio calculations, or anything just to give a flavour as to why they've been banned would be sufficient.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by darvlayI don't think so. What is so "intelligent" about funding (or continuing to fund) an organization which has shown itself as having all the charisma of the Nazi secret police??
What he can do is simply resubscribe under a different name and e-mail address. That would be the more intelligent route to take.
I would happily now see RHP and all who continue to sail in her sink without trace.
There are plenty of other options open for online chess after all.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by 24You're still here ? Have trouble finding your way out ?
I don't think so. What is so "intelligent" about funding (or continuing to fund) an organization which has shown itself as having all the charisma of the Nazi secret police??
I would happily now see RHP and all who continue to sail in her sink without trace.
There are plenty of other options open for online chess after all.
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by ExyExy, I don't mind you quoting me, but make sure use the full context of your original post, and not some new interpretation. I would not like to see what you are now suggesting I would like to see.
I'm sure you're right Tirau Dan, even though you're quoting a post of mine a few pages back, the debate has moved on somewhat since then. I'm not asking for nth detail Fritz analysis to be posted, just the summation of the evidence proving the guilt, something in layman's terms.
Exy: "I am just concerned that putting up one, out of the way, page listing banned players is not the best advertisement for the hard work, I don't doubt, the Game Mod team is doing. I was just hoping for something more officially prominent and more comprehensive."
Gatecrasher: "I would also like to see that."
What you won't see is a summation of evidence, or any discussion of any specific case. Rather, there would be guidelines on what constitutes cheating, how to submit complaints and the what kind of supporting data is required for a complaint to be given higher priority. There might be a form or questionaire to complete. It would be reached with a direct "report cheating" or somesuch link off the "Help" sub-menu. That is the type of stuff I would eventually like to see.
But a public display of evidence, even a summary, is just not going to happen.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by 24Perhaps intelligent wasn't the right word. What I meant was if IM still wanted to be a part of this site, the method I described would be his most effective and failsafe way of returning.
I don't think so. What is so "intelligent" about funding (or continuing to fund) an organization which has shown itself as having all the charisma of the Nazi secret police??
I would happily now see RHP and all who continue to sail in her sink without trace.
There are plenty of other options open for online chess after all.
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by GatecrasherI'm sorry if you I misquoted you, but I'm afraid it was not obvious from your brief reply what you were agreeing with? 😕
Exy, I don't mind you quoting me, but make sure use the full context of your original post, and not some new interpretation. I would not like to see what you are now suggesting I would like to see.
Exy: "I am just concerned that putting up one, out of the way, page listing banned players is not the best advertisement for the hard work, I don't doub ...[text shortened]... y like to see.
But a public display of evidence, even a summary, is just not going to happen.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by ExyI don't believe the Game Mods should reveal their methods, as this will enable other cheats to combat them.. then it will become a place for cheats to test their cheating skills. The army do things like this they have secret weapons, for obvious reason they don't go around telling everybody how it works, otherwise they will lose the advantage.
That's not my point though is it? I know I can go through the game myself, but you and I could also decide to organise a tournament and manually calculate the groups and keep a tally of the results on paper and the post it in the General forum, but I'd rather let the site manage those sort of things, that's one of the things I believe I pay my subs for.
Th ...[text shortened]... ulations, or anything just to give a flavour as to why they've been banned would be sufficient.
All you need to know is a team from the site has agreed that the users banned was cheaters. It's site policy and really don't see why you keep going on and on.. it's like you getting worried or something.