20 Apr 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI think a lot of people missed the point of the name 'SUICIDE KINGS'.
You said there's a difference between using racial stereotypes and being racist. If that is the case, you have nothing to reproach widget with, except his alcoholism and possibly bad taste (which pales by comparison to the Suicide Kings defunct logo).
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageNo i didnt, i said that Bill Hicks stereotyped his own people to show real failings in his own people, not that there was a difference between racial stereotypes and racism. Your suggestion flies in the face of suggestions that people who understood what widget said were intelligent.
You said there's a difference between using racial stereotypes and being racist. If that is the case, you have nothing to reproach widget with, except his alcoholism and possibly bad taste (which pales by comparison to the Suicide Kings defunct logo).
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by wormwoodSo if you as a Fin (wait till i check)....as someone who flies the flag of Finland, were to use a finnish stereotype, that would be racism to you ?
how's that not racist? to me it's clearly racist material.
What if i were to continually use the writings of Bernard Manning, and make some Paki jokes, and then back them up and argue that they are true....would that be racism, or could i just shrug my shoulders and say "you just don't get it" ?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundQuoth huck,
No i didnt, i said that Bill Hicks stereotyped his own people to show real failings in his own people, not that there was a difference between racial stereotypes and racism. Your suggestion flies in the face of suggestions that people who understood what widget said were intelligent.
"I'm just saying that there is a difference between using racist stereotypes (which apart from white american stereotyopes, Bill hicks never used), and being racist."
By the way--of course--nobody has asked (perhaps due to insufficient interest) what widget's purpose was (if any) is saying the things he said.
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIt is entirely possible to use a racial stereotype without being racist....what's your point ?
Quoth huck,
"I'm just saying that there is a difference between using racist stereotypes (which apart from white american stereotyopes, Bill hicks never used), and being racist."
By the way--of course--nobody has asked (perhaps due to insufficient interest) what widget's purpose was (if any) is saying the things he said.
It is not the using of the stereotype, it is the way it is used.....don't you agree ?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundYes. And then it comes down to interpretation of somebody's intention and their skill in pulling it off. Leaving us no better informed than we were at the beginning unless we ask the author of the deed what his intentions were.
It is entirely possible to use a racial stereotype without being racist....what's your point ?
It is not the using of the stereotype, it is the way it is used.....don't you agree ?
The idea that widget harbours some malevolent racism towards the Irish is ridiculous!
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI'm sure the same could've been said about Michael Richards, doesn't make his actions any more pallatable.
Yes. And then it comes down to interpretation of somebody's intention and their skill in pulling it off. Leaving us no better informed than we were at the beginning unless we ask the author of the deed what his intentions were.
The idea that widget harbours some malevolent racism towards the Irish is ridiculous!
Look mate, i was one of many people who found the posts to be off colour, the only difference is that i actually said so in the thread.
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by huckleberryhounddepends on how you'd do it. it's perfectly possible to use adolf hitler and nazi propaganda as comical material, and actually it has been extensively done already. from charles chaplin to monty python, along with many many other comedians.
So if you as a Fin (wait till i check)....as someone who flies the flag of Finland, were to use a finnish stereotype, that would be racism to you ?
What if i were to continually use the writings of Bernard Manning, and make some Paki jokes, and then back them up and argue that they are true....would that be racism, or could i just shrug my shoulders and say "you just don't get it" ?
and no, I have no problem using finns as a sterotype. we do it all the time with swedes like stocken for example. swedes, the neighbours you love to hate, as the proverb goes. in fact, I'll be the first one to admit that all finns are way bigger drunkards compared to the irish who can barely hold their liquour. ask any norwegian to tell you some 'pekka-jokes', which are a particular type of stories concentrating on finnish mental landscape.
20 Apr 07
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Originally posted by wormwoodI concur, springtime for hitler is an excellent example wher eit can be done well. But by the same token it can also be ballsed up that much that it can make all said nationality that read it, others that read it, and the mods and admins of a chess site see it as bigoted...yes ?
depends on how you'd do it. it's perfectly possible to use adolf hitler and nazi propaganda as comical material, and actually it has been extensively done already. from charles chaplin to monty python, along with many many other comedians.
and no, I have no problem using finns as a sterotype. we do it all the time with swedes like stocken for example. sw a-jokes', which are a particular type of stories concentrating on finnish mental landscape.
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundAnd you were within your rights to call the bouncer. Like throwing a pesky drunk out of a bar. Sometimes it's not what you say, it's who you say it to! Storm in a tea-cup...
Look mate, i was one of many people who found the posts to be off colour, the only difference is that i actually said so in the thread.
20 Apr 07
Pekka and Mikko are sitting in a cottage in the middle of nowhere. They've been drinking for three days straight and they finally run out of booze.
Pekka says to his mate "Hey, go and look in the tool shed and see if there's anything to drink there."
Mikko comes back with a bottle of methanol, and says "We could drink this, but we'll go blind!"
Pekka slowly looks around the cottage and out the window, and says "I think we've seen enough."
20 Apr 07
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageMaybe you should mention that to the person who saw fit to cross post our private messages in his Clan fora, the ones where he blamed me for clicking the ban button personally.
And you were within your rights to call the bouncer. Like throwing a pesky drunk out of a bar. Sometimes it's not what you say, it's who you say it to! Storm in a tea-cup...