01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaI'd agree with that. Are you any less of a man for it? Are you a coward for it? I think not.
Painful terminal disease would be the most likely one.
We are seldom in a position to understand the pain of others. Such things can be a little itch that never sleeps. Scratching it with a 9mm hollow point may seem excessive, but, we're not the ones dealing with the itch.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaIt's not my word; I haven't experienced pyschic pain of that magnitude.
Shall I take your word for this?
Besides, the difference between suicide due to depression and eutanasia (in any of it's forms) is very clear to me and it doesn't depend on the degree of 'pain', but on the degree of (near) inevitability.
Have you ever heard your neighbour scream without rest for hours, night after night due to causes of pain and fear which are completely endogenous, as far as you are able to tell from the things that that neighbour mentions during the day?
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by ChronicLeakyPerhaps it is hard fully comprehend if one does not experience it for oneself?
Indeed. There are stories of a practice among sailors who, having fallen from their vessels, beyond hope of rescue, swallow water to speed their own deaths because of the blatant, in-your-face type agony of drowning slowly/dying of exposure/being eaten by sharks. I don't think anyone faults these sailors for this.
There exists psychic agony which i ...[text shortened]... that such a thing might exist, in which case he is lacking imagination, in particular empathy.
I envy those who have the leisure not to feel, or even be able to imagine anything worse than physical pain and death.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by MimorMimor, statements of harsh principle will always be rejected by those accustomed to warm fuzzies and semi solid food served lukewarm.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Suicide is an insult to your family, friends, community and the entire human race. Only the deranged mind of a coward would consider it.
Please explain how this is not an example of the sweeping generalizations and personal attacks you claim to be so opposed to.
You, despite all your preachiness and folksy platitudes, can be so devoid of compassion and empathy that it's chilling.
01 Mar 09
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby"Harsh principle" is a dish best served defensible. Otherwise it is mere pugnacious asshattery.
Mimor, statements of harsh principle will always be rejected by those accustomed to warm fuzzies and semi solid food served lukewarm.
Isn't there a harsh principle about judging not lest you be judged?
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by Raven69You describe Job of the OT with great accuracy. Camus wrote of "falling upward". Suffering is often a beneficial crossroads opportunity.
Have you ever felt so hopelessly alone that the pain of it made you want to claw away at your own skin? So completely lost that all you see is darkness? So dead inside that no matter how hard you try you cannot will yourself to care? Did it ever seem to you like you are screaming at the top of your lungs on a crowded street but no one even spares you a glanc ...[text shortened]... ered ending your life even for a moment, then, and only then, can you judge those of us that do.
01 Mar 09
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Originally posted by ChronicLeakyWhat was your neighbour doing to change the things that he said were happening to him?
It's not my word; I haven't experienced pyschic pain of that magnitude.
Have you ever heard your neighbour scream without rest for hours, night after night due to causes of pain and fear which are completely endogenous, as far as you are able to tell from the things that that neighbour mentions during the day?
I've had people close to me commit suicide (both family and friends). Maybe GB has too. This "Have you ever..." comments are just lazy arguments. That people think differently from you doesn't mean they're ignorant or haven't thought about this properly.
I don't go around calling them all "cowards" like GB did, but I cannot think of a possible situation where I would understand the decision of committing suicide because of depression. I can understand that the psychological condition is conducive to making such a choice, but that doesn't make it a good choice in my view.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaUnderscoring all of this is the simple fact that the truth is often unpleasant. We're all reluctant to accept it from doctors, lawyers, friends, etc.
I agree with Bobby, in a way.
People who commit suicide because they're depressed are the ultimate quitters and will get little understanding from me.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by ChronicLeakyYes, judging other people. That prohibition has nothing to do with an impersonal though lively give and take about a serious subject.
"Harsh principle" is a dish best served defensible. Otherwise it is mere pugnacious asshattery.
Isn't there a harsh principle about judging not lest you be judged?