01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaWhat is there to think about? You are using faulty logic. You assume that because there is no contradicting study to your sweeping generalization than it must be true.
Think about it a little longer.
I think that most people who kill themselves have at one point believed in pink unicorns, there is no study to contradict this, so it must be true.
01 Mar 09
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Originally posted by Raven69Again, you miss the point. Not surprising. I advise you to read the entirety of the post you are going up and down about.
What is there to think about? You are using faulty logic. You assume that because there is no contradicting study to your sweeping generalization than it must be true.
I think that most people who kill themselves have at one point believed in pink unicorns, there is no study to contradict this, so it must be true.
01 Mar 09
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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate"Our life is what our thoughts make it." - Marcus Aurelius
This post is easily as repugnant as your first. Why do you presume to know what Raven or anyone else is dealing with? Who's given you this unique insight into the inner workings of those around you?
Note: Not our hurt feelings, jealousies, guilt trips, prestigious jobs, early disappointments or nickname masks. We are what we think.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaI don't get this whole "using things as excuses" thing. It sounds like taking your life is a lot of fun, something people really want to do, but because it's not accepted in our society, they have to come up with some excuse. I don't buy it. I see depression as an explanation for why someone is taking xyr own life in some cases, or a contributor, but not an excuse. I don't know how common this (someone committing suicide without trying alternative solutions) is anyway, but I think that in such cases, this is likely to be a symptom of the depression (luckily the lack of initiative typical for depression can also often prevent suicide).
You see, most people just use all those things as excuses, but not once try to dramatically change their lives. For those who suffer from depression and do not even TRY to significantly change their lives, I have no tears to shed. None at all.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by NordlysRead the whole post.
I don't get this whole "using things as excuses" thing. It sounds like taking your life is a lot of fun, something people really want to do, but because it's not accepted in our society, they have to come up with some excuse. I don't buy it. I see depression as an explanation for why someone is taking xyr own life in some cases, or a contributor, but not an ...[text shortened]... on (luckily the lack of initiative typical for depression can also often prevent suicide).
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt's got nothing to do with finding a "wise physician" and getting a simple prescription to stabilize the situation. This statement alone shows your profound naivety on the subject. You can't just ask someone their symptoms and look in a book and find the perfect drug to prescribe. It's often a very precise mixture of drugs that ends up working. Treatments vary drastically from person to person. I had a friend with severe manic depression who spent years going to different doctors, trying different combinations of meds. Nothing worked. Ultimately, he hung himself.
Wise physcian may prescribe meds to stabilize the situation, while diagnosing affordable treatment, without viewing the patient as a pill bag.
I also worked in a psychiatric hospital, and saw dozens of patients who never found relief from their afflictions. Others were able to keep their illnesses in check by taking drugs that numbed nearly every part of their existence. Sad, but true.
It's intolerant ignorant fools such as yourself who make mental illness an ever harder thing to overcome by stigmatizing the problem and oversimplifying the solution.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaOkay, maybe I misunderstood your post. Are you saying that people use events in their life as an excuse when the real reason for their suicide is depression? If so, the last part of your post doesn't make sense ('For those who suffer from depression and do not even TRY to significantly change their lives, I have no tears to shed. None at all.'😉. Or are you saying (as it sounded to me) that people are making excuses and don't really have a reason at all to take their life, they just do it for fun or because they are too lazy to try something else? If so, my reply is still applicable, even if "those things" may refer to events or experiences rather than depression itself.
How many people live with "those things"?
Edit - "Those things" <> depression. Your post wrongly assumes I said the opposite.
As for how many people live with "those things", it depends on what the person had to live with. I don't think it really matters. Different people experience things in a different way, and they have different tolerance levels for physical and emotional pain.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by NordlysOf course people are different and all such platitudes. I respect people more or less depending on how they think and act. Wallowing in self-misery is not something I have much respect for.
Okay, maybe I misunderstood your post. Are you saying that people use events in their life as an excuse when the real reason for their suicide is depression? If so, the last part of your post doesn't make sense ('For those who suffer from depression and do not even TRY to significantly change their lives, I have no tears to shed. None at all.'😉. Or are you s ...[text shortened]... ifferent way, and they have different tolerance levels for physical and emotional pain.
My last statement separates those whom I respect and feel for and those for whom I do not.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by PalynkaYou were talking about people who suffer from depression. That's not the same as wallowing in self-misery. Would you also lose respect for a person who has a chance to get a fantastic job, but doesn't show up for the job interview because xe's lying in bed with a high fever?
Of course people are different and all such platitudes. I respect people more or less depending on how they think and act. Wallowing in self-misery is not something I have much respect for.
My last statement separates those whom I respect and feel for and those for whom I do not.
01 Mar 09
Originally posted by rbmorrisGood feedback.
It's got nothing to do with finding a "wise physician" and getting a simple prescription to stabilize the situation. This statement alone shows your profound naivety on the subject. You can't just ask someone their symptoms and look in a book and find the perfect drug to prescribe. It's often a very precise mixture of drugs that ends up working. Treatme ...[text shortened]... ver harder thing to overcome by stigmatizing the problem and oversimplifying the solution.