Suicide Pill

Originally posted by Palynka
The vast majority of people had loved ones who died, were used by others and had many things happening to them. Most incidences of OCD and schizophrenia DO NOT end it situations like the one CL described and thousands of people live with them without going through life thinking it's a calvary.

You see, most people just use all those things as excuses, but ...[text shortened]... and do not even TRY to significantly change their lives, I have no tears to shed. None at all.

How do you know what "most people" do? Is this information coming from anywhere other than your own perception?

Originally posted by Nordlys
Also, unfortunately help for psychiatric problems can be very hard to get. Sometimes a suicide attempt may be the only way to get the help you need. Of course if you succeed, it's too late, and if you don't succeed, you may be left with additional problems like a mutilated body or brain damage.

That's a very good point too.

Originally posted by Raven69
I don't really know what you're talking about in the first part of this post, but I will add this: depression is a mental condition, an illness. In its most extreme case it can make a person suicidal. Do you think people are cowards for being ill then?

No. Please see my related post below. Mike's opening statement was generic. My response dealt with it in principle, without identifying exceptions.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Suicide is an insult to your family, friends, community and the entire human race.

In a state of depression, people may have the delusion that they are a burden on their family or friends and that everybody would be better off if they were dead. And especially regarding elderly people (who are the biggest group of people who commit suicide if I remember correctly), I am afraid this may not even always be a delusion. That doesn't mean I think it's a good decision for them to take their own life; what I wanted to point out is that it's not necessarily a selfish decision (wanting to end your own pain regardless of the pain you are going to cause your family and friends).

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Point in time medication rehabilitation and ongoing maintenance regimines are often both indicated and highly successful. Physcian involved?

As Nordlys said, that can be hard to get, especially when you have neither the money nor the support of those who supposedly care for you most. What is one suppose to do when everyone thinks it is a phase that one is suppose to "snap out of"? As for professionals - they always think some sort of magic pill will fix everything that's wrong in your life.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Raven, my initial post above was breezy station to station. On a personal note... please know that whatever's going down (major family loss,

life disappointment, threatening health issue or financial reversal, etc ) you're alive, so there's still a purpose and plan for your unique life.

Chin up, Gal. Purpose to take the path forward one decision ...[text shortened]... one step, one day at a time. Getting too far out in front will only cause anxiety.


Bobby

This post is easily as repugnant as your first. Why do you presume to know what Raven or anyone else is dealing with? Who's given you this unique insight into the inner workings of those around you?

Originally posted by Raven69
As Nordlys said, that can be hard to get, especially when you have neither the money nor the support of those who supposedly care for you most. What is one suppose to do when everyone thinks it is a phase that one is suppose to "snap out of"? As for professionals - they always think some sort of magic pill will fix everything that's wrong in your life.

Wise physcian may prescribe meds to stabilize the situation, while diagnosing affordable treatment, without viewing the patient as a pill bag.

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
This post is easily as repugnant as your first. Why do you presume to know what Raven or anyone else is dealing with? Who's given you this unique insight into the inner workings of those around you?

grampy booby is obviously god, didn't you know?

Originally posted by Mimor
What about painful, chronic disease? What about painful, chronic mental disease?

I don't argue that in a number of cases (some, many, most, who knows?) that suicide is a cowardly act and a cop out. But I think it's important to understand that it's so very wrong to put this blanket of shame on everyone.

Do people suffer? Of course. Should we struggle ...[text shortened]... h physical or psychic demons and so dismissing them as simply cowards is ignorant and cruel.

I did not make sweeping statements about cowardice, but about whether I feel empathy or not towards those who choose suicide as the solution for depression. I certainly agree that it's their choice to make.

Originally posted by Raven69
How do you know what "most people" do? Is this information coming from anywhere other than your own perception?

Since nobody has yet posted any study that contradicts me, I can safely say your criticism is just a hypocritical stab in the dark.

Originally posted by Palynka
I certainly agree that it's their choice to make.

But not a "good" one? I'm confused about how you are relating your empathy to the ethical status of someone's choice to kill xyrself.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Wise physcian may prescribe meds to stabilize the situation, while diagnosing affordable treatment, without viewing the patient as a pill bag.

Again, you know nothing of the medications you "prescribe" and nothing of the side affects.

You might be interested to know that antidepressants have been linked to increased risk of suicide, especially in the young. Keep in mind that antidepressants don't make the problems go away, but, they often make you not give a crap about them anymore.

Originally posted by ChronicLeaky
But not a "good" one? I'm confused about how you are relating your empathy to the ethical status of someone's choice to kill oneself.

You're confused as to how my ethics relate to my empathy?

Originally posted by Palynka
Since nobody has yet posted any study that contradicts me, I can safely say your criticism is just a hypocritical stab in the dark.

How is it hypocritical? I am not say whether or not most people use depression as an excuse, I am saying you should not just assume that they do. Just because no one posted a contradiction to a statement, it does not make the statement true. And I did not see you post any study to defend your statement either.

Originally posted by Raven69
How is it hypocritical? I am not say whether or not most people use depression as an excuse, I am saying you should not just assume that they do. Just because no one posted a contradict to a statement, it does not make the statement true. And I did not see you post any study to defend your statement either.

Think about it a little longer.