03 Jan 09
Originally posted by no1marauderHey, I don't care what they all say about you, or what I have said either. Every site has to have that one person that is either loved or hated, and you are it. 😉
Quite possibly though I've let my sub lapse before and returned. This place has its charms.
Besides you have given me a barrel of laughs in 2008, and I was looking forward to another year of the same. 😏
Sincerely,
-VR
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by no1marauderDon't worry I will be out of here quite soon. I told that phlab person I still had few more things in the works.
There was no "corruption" in this matter. And no lies. I provided not merely my numbers (which are correct) but the games themselves fully analyzed by Fritz. Anyone can duplicate the results by running the games at the settings I did. Duecer has the file; he has my permission to give it to anybody with Fritz or any other engine for analysis. The results will speak for themselves..
As for the other comment. I just love the fact that you analyzed him with Fritz and he didn't own Fritz untill just a little while ago. yet he had great first move matches but not 3rd move matches, which has been stated as a different engine being used from the one being used to analyze the game.
He has the Informator Database which I am sure is where fritz gets alot of it's updates. Sad thing on that one is would be that his 3 disks are pretty dang old. The guy is a poor college student that couldn't even afford to get a new version of Fritz and had to settle for Fritz 7 to look at what you people said.
I mean he even told everyone that his game with one person in a clan match was beyond a high matchup when he asked for a person to run it. He knew he didn't cheat and was pretty positive the other person didn't either.
I mean you say the evidence is there, but it isn't. I have looked through all of this crap and it just isn't there. I know for a fact that statistics can be messed with. Anyone on here that works for a company and attends that last quartely meeting and hears the company lost money can attest to that. They didn't lose money, they just projected making more so that whatever profit they did not hit they can say is a loss.
I mean you are the one that has provided evidence, and like I said it does not match up. This thread and my purpose here is well known. How come the people that you say banned him have not made public their findings?
You want to know why? Because they know it was not that he cheated and there was a hidden agenda behind it.
I am sure right now they have been regoing through all of his games and are going to play with those numbers to make it look justifiable.
And some might believe it then. But here is the problem with that. If it were the truth, why was it not posted way back then or when I asked for it over a month ago.
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashNon sub rec!
You spend an incredible amount of time here for something so unimportant to you.
I have always felt that one of the things I like about this site is the fact that the Administrators have a special gift to recognize glitches and flaws in the system and make improvements whenever they can. They are aware that there are imperfections and keep an open m ...[text shortened]... only uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... For support rather than illumination."
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashHow I spend my time is my concern. House, MD isn't all that important but I like to watch it. When it gets cancelled I won't start a letter writing campaign, however.
You spend an incredible amount of time here for something so unimportant to you.
I have always felt that one of the things I like about this site is the fact that the Administrators have a special gift to recognize glitches and flaws in the system and make improvements whenever they can. They are aware that there are imperfections and keep an open m ...[text shortened]... only uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... For support rather than illumination."
As someone who has dealt with Game Mod issues for over 4 years here, I know a bit about the procedures used. If anything, the present ones are overly stringent and too many blatant cheats don't get bounced. You've presented no actual critique of the procedures used in nmdavidb's banning, just vague innuendo and gossip about the Game Mods themselves. Again that is clearly insufficient to reverse bannings based on the Site Admin's finding that overwhelming evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of cheating was present.
I'm sorry that you don't seem to understand (or more accurately don't want to understand) the stats regarding user match ups to various engines and the importance of said stats to the determination of whether someone is using an engine. There have been many threads and many posts discussing this matter, so you could get educated quickly if you choose to. Good luck.
03 Jan 09
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Originally posted by CartersonSee you.
Don't worry I will be out of here quite soon. I told that phlab person I still had few more things in the works.
As for the other comment. I just love the fact that you analyzed him with Fritz and he didn't own Fritz untill just a little while ago. yet he had great first move matches but not 3rd move matches, which has been stated as a different engine the truth, why was it not posted way back then or when I asked for it over a month ago.
As nmdavidb is a proven liar, I and no one else have no reason to believe his claims about anything. I analyzed with Fritz's because that's what I own though it has been mentioned numerous times that analysis with different engines, as long as they are good ones, doesn't vary the results much.
As already mention, all database moves are disregarded, so what Informator has or doesn't have is of no importance as regards engine analysis. I have no idea what you are talking about as regards 3rd move matches being a "different engine being used" that doesn't make any sense at all. When the player's move matches Fritz's 1st or 2nd choice 85% of the time (as nmdavidb's did) there isn't a lot of percentages left for the 3rd choice to match. His percentages in my data sample were:
Fritz 1st Choice: 68.84%
Fritz 2nd Choice: 15.94%
Fritz 3rd Choice: 4.84%
You can keep saying over and over and over again that the evidence "doesn't match up" but that is just a lie. The evidence is there for anyone to see who wants it and it is overwhelming. No human can consistently match up with an engine's choices at such high levels without using an engine i.e. cheating.
The Game Mods NEVER make public what evidence and analysis they actually used. Their finding though is made public when the Site Admins ban someone. Through all the posturing and bluster in this thread there has not been a single reason given why that finding was supposedly flawed. That is for the simple reason that it was not.
03 Jan 09
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Originally posted by no1marauderAs I have said before...Garbage in garbage out. Tell me again where you got this degree in chess cheat game analysis. Are you a professional or just an amateur? How much do you get paid and would you willing to take your evidence in front of a court and swear before an independent Judge that there is no possibility of you to have made an error in the evidence that you provided and the evaluation that provided proves beyond all reasonable doubt that NMDavidb cheated on this site. And would you if asked to do this under oath knowing that the penalties of perjury even though it would only be a civil case could cause you severe penalties? Now I know that intent would have to be proved for that to be the penalty. But are you so confident in your facts that the results are 100% flawless and just as strong as the results of DNA testing?
As someone who has dealt with Game Mod issues for over 4 years here, I know a bit about the procedures used.
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by no1marauderAnd yours.
Fritz 1st Choice: 68.84%
Fritz 2nd Choice: 15.94%
Fritz 3rd Choice: 4.84%
Top 1 Match: 343/568 - 60,4% ( 56,1% )
Top 2 Match: 437/568 - 76,9% ( 73,4% )
Top 3 Match: 480/568 - 84,5% ( 81,8% )
I don't know alot about statistics but boy do those look alot more damning than his.
03 Jan 09
Oh and don't forget his "evidence" on the top player here was an OVERWHELMING 3rd move matchup. Wish I could find that thread but I think all of those have been deleted.
They can say all they want to about "database" moves are thrown out.
I am still asking around to some programmers but I am pretty sure 1st choice is still searching through database moves, after that the engine looks for a better move.
03 Jan 09
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Originally posted by CartersonI guess you don't know a lot about statistics. nmdavidb's match ups are 8-12% higher for Fritz's top two choices and 5-8% higher for Fritz's top three choices then "mine" supposedly were.
And yours.
Top 1 Match: 343/568 - 60,4% ( 56,1% )
Top 2 Match: 437/568 - 76,9% ( 73,4% )
Top 3 Match: 480/568 - 84,5% ( 81,8% )
I don't know alot about statistics but boy do those look alot more damning than his.
Of course the cheat that provided those numbers didn't give the games that were supposedly analyzed or provide the analysis itself as I did (I still don't know why there are two sets of numbers one with lower ones in parentheses). I suspect he cherry picked games only where I had a good result against higher rated players ignoring the majority that I lost. That's what you do when you have an axe to grind.
EDIT: I'll make it easier for you and present nmdavidb's numbers in the same format as the cheat presented mine in:
Top 1 Match: 95/138 - 68.84%
Top 2 Match: 117/138 - 84.78%
Top 3 Match: 124/138 - 89.86%