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Originally posted by Carterson
If you haven't noticed all he posts is the second part.

Here is the original

Overall totals:

Fritz10: 1) 84/124 67.74% (67.74
Fritz10: 2) 20/124 16.13% (83.87
Fritz10: 3) 6/124 4.84% (88.71

If he matched one of the top 3 choices in 88.71% of his moves, not 100% of his moves, obviously the number of moves that match one of the top 3 choices won't be the same as the number of moves he made either. 😕

Originally posted by Carterson
If you haven't noticed all he posts is the second part.

Here is the original

Overall totals:

Fritz10: 1) 84/124 67.74% (67.74
Fritz10: 2) 20/124 16.13% (83.87
Fritz10: 3) 6/124 4.84% (88.71

Ah, I see. The 14 "lost" moves are just those that did not match Fritz's 1st, 2nd or 3rd choices. Maybe they matched 4th or 5th or whatever, no1 did not list those because he was not looking at matches beyond 3rd choice.

Originally posted by Nordlys
If he matched one of the top 3 choices in 88.71% of his moves, not 100% of his moves, obviously the number of moves that match one of the top 3 choices won't be the same as the number of moves he made either. 😕

All I am saying by picking moves that are non database as he says is that you are saying it is an engine. Then what about forced moves? Those are not database moves. What about the thought process that goes along with it?

Take out 1 move from a line of thinking and then what you have is an overwhelming view that the engine is doing the thinking and not the person.

I cannot believe none of you can actually see that.

Any person will make major matchups in any forced line. Or as someone said, when they play tactical openings.

He had almost perfected the PCG without any engine help whatsoever.

I think he said after a few good butt whippings he took that one was put on the shelf. But I am sure that fritz will find those same tactical shots. I mean when anyone here finds a killer combination, and Fritz finds it too, that makes them a cheat?

It is very simple people, this statistical analysis is flawed. I know the numbers say what they say, but it is not a true representation of the truth.

Originally posted by Carterson
Edit: Not my format. I have no clue how to do this stuff. But everyone i have talked to on this is VERY skeptical of how this works. I know i don't buy it.

So your argument goes approximately like this, I guess: "nmdavidb seems like a nice, trustworthy guy. There are people who are skeptical about the game mod system, and I have seen some impressive numbers (although I have no idea what they mean). The logical conclusion is that nmdavidb has been banned for personal reasons and is not a cheater." Not very convincing.

Originally posted by Kepler
Ah, I see. The 14 "lost" moves are just those that did not match Fritz's 1st, 2nd or 3rd choices. Maybe they matched 4th or 5th or whatever, no1 did not list those because he was not looking at matches beyond 3rd choice.

You just proved my point. he took those out because then statistically it would drive the numbers down because then the moves that followed could be explained more.

Fritz did not see what he was thinking, and then when given that position it did. it looked for the best move and he must have found a better way and then Fritz picks up on that thinking.

This ain't rocket science folks.

Originally posted by Nordlys
So your argument goes approximately like this, I guess: "nmdavidb seems like a nice, trustworthy guy. There are people who are skeptical about the game mod system, and I have seen some impressive numbers (although I have no idea what they mean). The logical conclusion is that nmdavidb has been banned for personal reasons and is not a cheater." Not very convincing.

It is very convincing when you look at the fact that he used non database moves as he says and then dropped moves from the thought process because they didn't match up.

I feel like I am in Congress or something here. If you just believe what someone tells you and then buy it because they show you some numbers then Global Warming is true.

Originally posted by Nordlys
So your argument goes approximately like this, I guess: "nmdavidb seems like a nice, trustworthy guy. There are people who are skeptical about the game mod system, and I have seen some impressive numbers (although I have no idea what they mean). The logical conclusion is that nmdavidb has been banned for personal reasons and is not a cheater." Not very convincing.

Oh and on that line of thinking it was said you got Arrakis banned.

I don't believe that one either.

Or should I?

Originally posted by Carterson
You just proved my point. he took those out because then statistically it would drive the numbers down because then the moves that followed could be explained more.

He didn't take them out; otherwise the percentages would have added up to 100%.

Indeed, this isn't rocket science, but apparently it still is beyond you.

Originally posted by Carterson
Oh and on that line of thinking it was said you got Arrakis banned.

I don't believe that one either.

Or should I?

Lol, I got Arrakis banned? I never even alerted any of his posts. I found his insults quite amusing.

Originally posted by Nordlys
Lol, I got Arrakis banned? I never even alerted any of his posts. I found his insults quite amusing.

You're obviously "part of the "chosen people"", too.

Originally posted by Carterson
You just proved my point. he took those out because then statistically it would drive the numbers down because then the moves that followed could be explained more.

Fritz did not see what he was thinking, and then when given that position it did. it looked for the best move and he must have found a better way and then Fritz picks up on that thinking.

This ain't rocket science folks.

That isn't even computer science. No one took any moves out. If no1 had looked at the evaluation of more moves in each position then those 14 moves could have been picked up and he could then have pointed to a higher match up percentage. Driving the numbers down would be good. Lower match up percentage = less cause for suspicion.

Originally posted by Nordlys
He didn't take them out; otherwise the percentages would have added up to 100%.

Indeed, this isn't rocket science, but apparently it still is beyond you.

You just proved my point. he took those out because then statistically it would drive the numbers down because then the moves that followed could be explained more.

What part of that did you not get?

The one move in a series does not match Fritz's engine choice is chucked out, but the new position gets evaluated, and Fritz understands the plan and goes with that. Then maybe in another part the non Fritz move is thrown out because the engine sees the correct line and knows how to do it 3 moves quicker, but now it will go right along with what he saw because they are forced moves.

I repeat that is not rocket science

Originally posted by Carterson
It is very convincing when you look at the fact that he used non database moves as he says and then dropped moves from the thought process because they didn't match up.

I feel like I am in Congress or something here. If you just believe what someone tells you and then buy it because they show you some numbers then Global Warming is true.

You had better hope global warming is true. If it isn't we are still in the depths of the last ice age and you may well be under several miles of ice. Just because you don't understand something does not make it false.

Originally posted by Nordlys
Lol, I got Arrakis banned? I never even alerted any of his posts. I found his insults quite amusing.

I said I didn't believe it.

Just stating what some people said.

If I believed everything that was told to me then I would be a mindless automaton like alot of the people on here.

I take a little time to look things up.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You're obviously "part of the "chosen people"", too.

Of course! That's why I still haven't been banned even though 152% of my moves match Fritz!