@Ponderable saidApologies for creating that misunderstanding.
OK, I was under the impression that you would post here. Thanks for the clarification
@A-Unique-Nickname said😄
He has been too busy washing milkshake from himself and watching the euros.
@Ponderable saidIt’s a forgone conclusion; the tories have handed Labour a mega-majority and will blame the public, they already are.
And the election is in progress. Lets see what is te state this evening
The final YouGov polling showed these indicative (median) data points, among many others:
- Labour 39% share of the vote returning them approx 66% share of parliamentary seats ~ 431
- Tories 22% share of the vote giving them 15% share of seats ~ 102
- Reform 15% share of the vote returning them 0.5% share of seats ~ 3
- LibDems 12% share of the vote returning them 11% share of seats ~ 72
- Greens 7% share of the vote returning them 0.3% share of seats - 2
Large % and number variations either side of these median points.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49950-final-yougov-mrp-shows-labour-on-course-for-historic-election-victory
One critical insight the YouGov representative reported on Sky News showed that of the public surveyed, approx 50% of the vote for Labour was not for Starmer but against Sunak and the Tories. This indicates that had the Tories not been so poor over the last 5 years they would have 40% share of the vote and Labour around 20%.
What does this mean?
It means that if there is an effective voice of opposition in Parliament then Labour will probably struggle to hold onto power for a second term unless they do something drastic to increase their share of vote. Speculation abounds as to what that might be.
@A-Unique-Nickname saidWhat a cheek! 😮
I predict
Most votes
England: Labour
Scotland: SNP
N. Ireland: Sinn Fein
Wales: Who cares.
Of interest to those interested in Wales is that the Conservative Party has been completely wiped out in Wales. Labour won all but five of the 32 Welsh Commons seats, with four going to Plaid Cymru and one, Brecon, Radnor & Cwm Tawe, to the Liberal Democrats. In the 2019 election, the Tories held 14 of the 40 seats, with Labour on 22, and Plaid Cymru on four.
Let’s hope that things start to improve for our Welsh Farmers with Plaid? I’m currently staying at a wonderfulfarm rental cottage, high up in the hills 🥰
@A-Unique-Nickname saidCorrect about England, N.I and Wales but horribly wrong about Scotland. Not surprised Labour won more seats there but didn't think it would be as much and SNP would still get the most votes.
I predict
Most votes
England: Labour
Scotland: SNP
N. Ireland: Sinn Fein
Wales: Who cares.
The Paisleys no longer have a seat after Ian lost the seat his dad and him held since 1970 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Drewnogal saidSounds lovely. How many sheep got elected this year? 😁
What a cheek! 😮
Of interest to those interested in Wales is that the Conservative Party has been completely wiped out in Wales. Labour won all but five of the 32 Welsh Commons seats, with four going to Plaid Cymru and one, Brecon, Radnor & Cwm Tawe, to the Liberal Democrats. In the 2019 election, the Tories held 14 of the 40 seats, with Labour on 22, and Plaid Cymru on f ...[text shortened]... Farmers with Plaid? I’m currently staying at a wonderfulfarm rental cottage, high up in the hills 🥰
@A-Unique-Nickname saidThe SNP didn’t get most of the votes; they got 29.9% and Labour 35.7%.
Correct about England, N.I and Wales but horribly wrong about Scotland. Not surprised Labour won more seats there but didn't think it would be as much and SNP would still get the most votes.
The SNP lost because of the corruption by the poisoned dwarf and her husband, combined with with a failed campaign based on a single shopping list of Scottish independence which is clearly not what the people wanted.
Labour’s “Loveless Landslide”
As Europe lurches to the right the UK seems, on looking at the surface, to have lurched to the left. But have we?
In 2019 Jeremy Corbyn led the Labour Party to its worst result in 80 years giving Boris Johnson’s Conservatives a huge win and and 80+ seat majority. Labour have only increased their share of votes from that disaster by 1.6% and actually got less votes than in 2019. The first past the post system has given Labour a huge majority because everyone else is sick of the Tories and and they about half of their vote share the vast majority of which, just over 4,000,000 votes, went to Reform UK who only returned 5 seats.
Think about that for a moment. The Tories got twice as many votes as Reform, but got 121 seats. Labour got more or less twice as many votes as the Tories (but less than they got in 2019) and got 412 seats. Hardly a “landslide mandate” from the British people! Th UK needs a reform of the voting system which is rigged to favour the long established 2 party system.
As Sir Keir Starmer the multi-millionaire, castle-owning, born-again man of the people, sits in Downing Street he must be wondering where his support really lies, how deep it is and how on earth he’s going to hold on to it, given that only half of the people who did actually vote for him (Labour) say they did so because of him and the other half say they did so to get rid of the Tories.
Meanwhile the brave Jess Philips [Labour] and her campaign team in Birmingham constituency suffered horrendous abuse, sometimes people screaming in her face, threats of violence and car tyres being slashed by supporters of the “independent” sectarian candidate running on a “Gaza” ticket. A sign of things to come in some areas of the UK one wonders.
Of course… the mainstream media hardly reported on this campaign of abuse from that Muslim community and instead focused incessantly on Andrew Parker’s outrageous pay-per-slurr arrival on Clacton sea front. A self professed “well spoken” actor who drove nearly a hundred miles from his home to join the other 150 Reform volunteers for a chance encounter with Lee Sorrell’s undercover film team and to deliver some pantomime level offensive “rough talk”, calling Rushi Sunak a useless effin’ Paki and suggesting the army use boat immigrants as target shooting practice on the beaches. It was so bad, so ludicrously offensive, you almost couldn’t make it up. Hmmm.
But back to Labour and their “Loveless Landslide”; a landslide which looks increasingly like a hollow victory given the polling statistics above, and one which will give Labour nightmares at by-elections as they set out to “change Britain” to reform the NHS, to satisfy teachers and doctors pay demands (and now with the unions holding a financial gun to their head), to manage the escalating benefits money pit, to navigate the Middle East problem whilst remaining aligned to the and pre election commitments to Israel (and with 5 sectarian Muslim ‘Gaza ‘ MPs in the lower House), address mass uncontrolled immigration (without naming it as a manifesto priority) and of course NOT raise taxes.
It’s going to be interesting but also horrible to watch.
In case anyone thinks I’m being biased or exaggerating about what happened to Jess Philips then you can (finally) read about it here; scroll down to her video interview. Remember Jess is a hard left labour candidate, not anti immigration.
Interesting how this only gets promoted by the msm AFTER the election…
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-jess-phillips-reflects-on-abuse-in-absolutely-horrible-election-campaign-13173842
@divegeester saidFor what reason has someone chosen to alert this post?
Labour’s “Loveless Landslide”
As Europe lurches to the right the UK seems, on looking at the surface, to have lurched to the left. But have we?
In 2019 Jeremy Corbyn led the Labour Party to its worst result in 80 years giving Boris Johnson’s Conservatives a huge win and and 80+ seat majority. Labour have only increased their share of votes from that disaster ...[text shortened]... riority) and of course NOT raise taxes.
It’s going to be interesting but also horrible to watch.
@Ponderable saidIt's stupid, I agree, so is the American system. Any system where a party can gain more votes than another party but end with less power is daft. In America it should be easy, remove the value given to each state and simply most votes win. In the UK because there's so many different parties and nations, it's not so simple.
fun fact, when we discussed the Britisch plotical system at German school in the 80's the very vast majority of pupils thought the british approach doubtful at least.
@divegeester saidIt‘s pretty clear that Labour did not so much win, as the Tories lost. The Tories had overstayed their welcome. The woes the UK has suffered in the last 14 years were mounting, and Sunak‘s last-second plea that things were ‚finally turning around‘ was simply pathetic: falling wages in real terms, rising house prices, the economic fallout from Brexit, several disastrously incompetent PMs, millionaires leaving in droves, …
Labour’s “Loveless Landslide”
As Europe lurches to the right the UK seems, on looking at the surface, to have lurched to the left. But have we?
In 2019 Jeremy Corbyn led the Labour Party to its worst result in 80 years giving Boris Johnson’s Conservatives a huge win and and 80+ seat majority. Labour have only increased their share of votes from that disaster ...[text shortened]... riority) and of course NOT raise taxes.
It’s going to be interesting but also horrible to watch.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/business/uk-millionaires-loss-record/index.html
Crikey, they had 14 years to ‚turn things around.‘