29 Mar 22
@torunn saidThe bigger picture for me was Rock getting the invite when there was known animosity with Will Smith and his family and Will Smith was tipped to win. Was the script even seen and approved by the organisers? Perhaps a contrived situation, at the expense of Will Smith and his wife, for the sake of the falling Oscars ratings. Rock was happy to cash in on it and get the exposure. Probably the best thing that ever happened to him. He was looking for reaction so he needs no apology.
Chris Rock's bad joke was, I believe, in his script and was meant to be what it was. Will Smith's reaction was impulsive. Still they were both unprofessional.
@torunn saidYou are correct that he handled the situation, broadcast as it was on live TV, much better than I would have. But I don't have the burden of wanting to remain a popular movie star.
Susan,
If Will had used his fist instead of an open hand, it would have been a total disaster and ruined the evening for all, not least himself. What he did was a bit chevaleresque and did no harm really.
I also viewed what he did as an old-fashioned throwing down the gauntlet. He didn't necessarily want to hurt him, just to put him on notice.
@relentless-red saidThis is indeed an interesting picture you draw attention to. However, I don't agree that it is the "bigger" one.
The bigger picture for me was Rock getting the invite when there was known animosity with Will Smith and his family and Will Smith was tipped to win. Was the script even seen and approved by the organisers? Perhaps a contrived situation, at the expense of Will Smith and his wife, for the sake of the falling Oscars ratings. Rock was happy to cash in on it and get the ex ...[text shortened]... obably the best thing that ever happened to him. He was looking for reaction so he needs no apology.
Personally, I think the way an incident like this, in this age of online disinhibition, can trigger people with fixations on celebrity culture, and on social media echo chambers enabling frenzies of shallow, strutting outrage [whether it be left or right or anywhere in between] and motivate - perhaps - millions of people to extol the virtues of vicarious violence...
I think that is the bigger picture, although the one about TV ratings is certainly of some interest too.
@relentless-red saidI think there was too much emotion involved for this to be a contrived scene. Sure, there will always be those skeptics who think everything is all planned out in advance, but this looked like an emotional reaction tempered by the fact that it was on live TV.
The bigger picture for me was Rock getting the invite when there was known animosity with Will Smith and his family and Will Smith was tipped to win. Was the script even seen and approved by the organisers? Perhaps a contrived situation, at the expense of Will Smith and his wife, for the sake of the falling Oscars ratings. Rock was happy to cash in on it and get the ex ...[text shortened]... obably the best thing that ever happened to him. He was looking for reaction so he needs no apology.
@suzianne saidI think the choice of Rock was contrived and the script was approved in the hope of getting reaction. I doubt the slap was the anticipated reaction and from that point onwards I suspect it was all spontaneous like you describe.
I think there was too much emotion involved for this to be a contrived scene. Sure, there will always be those skeptics who think everything is all planned out in advance, but this looked like an emotional reaction tempered by the fact that it was on live TV.
@relentless-red saidIf you'll pardon me for saying... but that's rather more in the direction of celebrity culture/TV station accountants tittle-tattle. The bigger picture is the narcissistic and voyeuristic obsession with violence and conflict seething under the surface of American culture [and elsewhere too, no doubt]. Just my ha'penny's worth.
I think the choice of Rock was contrived and the script was approved in the hope of getting reaction. I doubt the slap was the anticipated reaction and from that point onwards I suspect it was all spontaneous like you describe.
@suzianne saidI'm wrong about this citation. John Travolta, playing Vincent Vega, said this to Samuel L. Jackson, playing Jules Winfield.
"She's his f---ing wife, man. He can't be expected to have a sense of humor about that s---." -- Jules Winfield, played by Samual L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction, 19994
@fmf saidI have heard, ad nauseum, your remarks about my supposed "negativity". You appear invested in making as many people as you can believe that the negative things you say about me are true. Well, it is a fact that any negativity you sense in me is a direct result of years of having your continual negative remarks about me shoved down my throat, and your continued gaslighting others about it.
My objection to her negativity is the same as yours ~ whether you could care less about it or not.
You seem to think (and it's obvious why) that people who consistently put others down are perfectly free to continue their antics, because there is no negative repercussion. Any "negative" comments you perceive from me are simply an attempt to give you that negative repercussion to balance your continual negative remarks to me. Simple as. Too bad you refuse to learn anything. It's also too bad that this website continues to give you carte blanche in this simply because they've done nothing to address this issue in the past. Naturally, you use this to maintain your "innocence".
tl;dr -- When you foster negativity for yourself against others, don't be surprised when you get it right back. And don't whine about it.
To others (who don't give a damn either way), don't worry, this is my final post in this thread. Just getting this off my chest.
@suzianne said@suzianne said
I have heard, ad nauseum, your remarks about my supposed "negativity". You appear invested in making as many people as you can believe that the negative things you say about me are true. Well, it is a fact that any negativity you sense in me is a direct result of years of having your continual negative remarks about me shoved down my throat, and your continue ...[text shortened]
I have heard, ad nauseum, your remarks about my supposed "negativity". You appear invested in making as many people as you can believe that the negative things you say about me are true. Well, it is a fact that any negativity you sense in me is a direct result of years of having your continual negative remarks about me shoved down my throat, and your continued gaslighting others about it. You seem to think (and it's obvious why) that people who consistently put others down are perfectly free to continue their antics, because there is no negative repercussion. Any "negative" comments you perceive from me are simply an attempt to give you that negative repercussion to balance your continual negative remarks to me. Simple as. Too bad you refuse to learn anything. It's also too bad that this website continues to give you carte blanche in this simply because they've done nothing to address this issue in the past. Naturally, you use this to maintain your "innocence". tl;dr -- When you foster negativity for yourself against others, don't be surprised when you get it right back. And don't whine about it. To others (who don't give a damn either way), don't worry, this is my final post in this thread. Just getting this off my chest.
Something about the thread topic would be more interesting than this kind of stuff, Suzianne.
@suzianne saidI don't feel any "worry" about you posting/not posting, but it would be interesting if you addressed some of the responses to your take on the Smith-Rock incident instead of this "...this my final post..." type of thing.
To others (who don't give a damn either way), don't worry, this is my final post in this thread. Just getting this off my chest.
29 Mar 22
@suzianne saidSmith lost his tempter. Bad form. The correct procedure, for a grown man, would have been to take the mic, appeal to the audience, and say that the joke was in bad taste and hurtful. Making fun of people with an illness is not ok: that's what Smith should have said. Hitting someone is infantile.
Will Smith was within his rights to defend his wife, who has a scalp condition. Chris Rock attacked her for having a medical condition. But you're all about that, aren't you? You have done the same thing here yourself.
I'm on Will's side. But you can sit back in your leather chair implying he has a drug problem.
What is wrong with you?
BTW, I would have hit hi ...[text shortened]... eep my wife's name out of your f---ing mouth!" He said it twice. His motivation was crystal clear.
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@relentless-red saidReally!?
The bigger picture for me was Rock getting the invite when there was known animosity with Will Smith and his family and Will Smith was tipped to win.
‘Who was invited’ is for you the bigger picture than; misogynist comedy and physical violence?
Or is it just the best thing you can think of as a reason to post about something and NOT disagree with what Suzianne has posted previously?
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@suzianne saidIn short then; your atrocious behaviour and crass approval of Smith’s physical violence is not YOUR fault, it’s someone else’s!!
I have heard, ad nauseum, your remarks about my supposed "negativity". You appear invested in making as many people as you can believe that the negative things you say about me are true. Well, it is a fact that any negativity you sense in me is a direct result of years of having your continual negative remarks about me shoved down my throat, and your continue ...[text shortened]... amn either way), don't worry, this is my final post in this thread. Just getting this off my chest.
You really are a messed up piece of scorn-fuelled angst.
29 Mar 22
@moonbus saidAgree, it was not the right thing to do. Also swearing loud on that occasion is unacceptable. .
Smith lost his tempter. Bad form. The correct procedure, for a grown man, would have been to take the mic, appeal to the audience, and say that the joke was in bad taste and hurtful. Making fun of people with an illness is not ok: that's what Smith should have said. Hitting someone is infantile.