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06 Mar 08
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by NordlysThat is right, in fact there is a problem with consultation games. If you are playing as a team, one clan against another in an unrated game, there is the possibility of unknown engine use.
His reasoning went more along the lines of "if someone already has an engine running, it's more likely xe'll also use it for cheating". But people can use an engine to analyse finished games or to play against it anyway, and I just can't see how using it in an unrated tutoring game in addition would make it more tempting for the player to also use it in rate ...[text shortened]... games that both players have to check if they agree on allowing engine use in that game.
The holders of the unrated games without their knowledge could show to be an engine. So is it fair. I say no.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by cashthetrashPlaying a consultation game as a team is also receiving outside assistance and contrary to TOS 3(b) or is human consultation (by agreement) somehow different to engine consultation (by agreement). I can't see why it should be and either both are unacceptable or both are acceptable.
That is right, in fact there is a problem with consultation games. If you are playing as a team, one clan against another in an unrated game, there is the possibility of unknown engine use.
The holders of the unrated games without their knowledge could show to be an engine. So is it fair. I say no.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireYou're right, good point.
Playing a consultation game as a team is also receiving outside assistance and contrary to TOS 3(b) or is human consultation (by agreement) somehow different to engine consultation (by agreement). I can't see why it should be and either both are unacceptable or both are acceptable.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireTrue but what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own unrated game isn't harming anyone and is unlikely to be reported. The authorities (one assumes) have bigger fish to fry.
Playing a consultation game as a team is also receiving outside assistance and contrary to TOS 3(b) or is human consultation (by agreement) somehow different to engine consultation (by agreement). I can't see why it should be and either both are unacceptable or both are acceptable.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by MahoutAnd when your game is setup, it isn't even counted in the statistics. The rules cannot meaningfully be meant to apply to these games, certainly not the spirit of the rules.
True but what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own unrated game isn't harming anyone and is unlikely to be reported. The authorities (one assumes) have bigger fish to fry.
ps. I have not understood what the 'adult' part has to do with it.
18 Mar 08
ps. I have not understood what the 'adult' part has to do with it.
The words consenting, privacy and (un)rated where combined with "adult" to create an analogy for the purpose of humor. The analogy hints at consenting adults playing rated (think of xxx) games, which would might be illegal if done in a public place. Having been to a famous park in Berlin on one occasion and observed some very explicit antics between two consenting gentlemen it occurs to me that the laws may be different in Germany....so apologies if my attempt at humor doesn't translate.
But I think we agree on the main point.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by MahoutIt's now legal in a certain park in Holland, methinks. 😲
[b]ps. I have not understood what the 'adult' part has to do with it.
The words consenting, privacy and (un)rated where combined with "adult" to create an analogy for the purpose of humor. The analogy hints at consenting adults playing rated (think of xxx) games, which would might be illegal if done in a public place. Having been to a famous park in Be ...[text shortened]... logies if my attempt at humor doesn't translate.
But I think we agree on the main point.[/b]
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireIf one team agrees, as a whole, to participate in an unrated game against another team, as a whole, then where does the outside assistance come from?
Playing a consultation game as a team is also receiving outside assistance and contrary to TOS 3(b) or is human consultation (by agreement) somehow different to engine consultation (by agreement). I can't see why it should be and either both are unacceptable or both are acceptable.
It is one team against another team.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by adramforallThe team doesn't have an account. (Just playing devils advocate here btw...be assured I have no issues with unrated consultation games...I think they are great way to learn)
If one team agrees, as a whole, to participate in an unrated game against another team, as a whole, then where does the outside assistance come from?
It is one team against another team.
18 Mar 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireOne could argue that once a consultation game was agreed upon that this is not an issue. If Clan A agrees to play Clan B in a consultation game, it would make all the members of each clan "first party" to the game by terms of the agreement. The ToS is not explicit in defining a game as taking place between only two players in this instance.
Playing a consultation game as a team is also receiving outside assistance and contrary to TOS 3(b) or is human consultation (by agreement) somehow different to engine consultation (by agreement). I can't see why it should be and either both are unacceptable or both are acceptable.
"While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party...."
19 Mar 08
Originally posted by SydrianIs assistance by a third party permitted in that Dutch park?
One could argue that once a consultation game was agreed upon that this is not an issue. If Clan A agrees to play Clan B in a consultation game, it would make all the members of each clan "first party" to the game by terms of the agreement. The ToS is not explicit in defining a game as taking place between only two players in this instance.
"While a game ...[text shortened]... ess you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party...."