Cludi Deciding to Leave

Originally posted by wormwood
I've seen high rated players act pretty damn silly & paranoid when they've been beaten by weaker players, even when their mistakes have been glaringly obvious like dropping material. it seems that kind of people have this insane misconception that playing well in other games somehow earns them the right of not getting killed for their rare but ...[text shortened]... idity, I don't know which it is, but it certainly isn't "assessing your play objectively".

correct, but I also doubt that an 1500 OTB can reach 2100 on RHP

Originally posted by vipiu
correct, but I also doubt that an 1500 OTB can reach 2100 on RHP

You have it backwards. In this case, an established corr player picked up OTB later on.

I once knew a player who was 1800 OTB, and 2400-2500 in correspondence. And this was before computers were good enough to be 2400-2500 in correspondence.

Funny how people keep insisting on comparing apples to oranges.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
You have it backwards. In this case, an established corr player picked up OTB later on.

I once knew a player who was 1800 OTB, and 2400-2500 in correspondence. And this was before computers were good enough to be 2400-2500 in correspondence.

Funny how people keep insisting on comparing apples to oranges.

apples and oranges? did I say chess and go or checkers ?
do you have any idea how strong in chess an 1500 OTB is ?
he would have against me about the same chances I would have against Anand 🙂
I think we should get into this discussion more people that have both OTB and RHP rating.

Originally posted by vipiu
apples and oranges? did I say chess and go or checkers ?
do you have any idea how strong in chess an 1500 OTB is ?
he would have against me about the same chances I would have against Anand 🙂
I think we should get into this discussion more people that have both OTB and RHP rating.

Comparing OTB vs. CC is the same as comparing blitz vs. games with time control 2 hours per 40 moves (plus extra 1 hour after 40 moves have been done).

Originally posted by Korch
Comparing OTB vs. CC is the same as comparing blitz vs. games with time control 2 hours per 40 moves (plus extra 1 hour after 40 moves have been done).

I disagree...it is like comparing rapid chess: 15-25 minutes with long chess 2 hours per 40 moves...

Do you have any idea how strong is an 1500 in OTB ? Have you ever played against anyone with such a rating?

Originally posted by vipiu
I disagree...it is like comparing rapid chess: 15-25 minutes with long chess 2 hours per 40 moves...

Do you have any idea how strong is an 1500 in OTB ? Have you ever played against anyone with such a rating?

Presumably you're talking about an up to date 1500 rating. If someone hasn't played any OTB for a couple of years...and they have been improving in this period....then the old OTB rating will not represent their playing strength.

Originally posted by vipiu
I disagree...it is like comparing rapid chess: 15-25 minutes with long chess 2 hours per 40 moves...

Do you have any idea how strong is an 1500 in OTB ? Have you ever played against anyone with such a rating?

It depends on how many games the 1500 has played. How strong is a 1200 on this site? You don't know if they played only a few games. How strong is a 1500 OTB? If they played only a few games then they could actually be a 1200 who got lucky or a 2000 who hasn't played sufficient games yet.

Originally posted by vipiu
I disagree...it is like comparing rapid chess: 15-25 minutes with long chess 2 hours per 40 moves...

Do you have any idea how strong is an 1500 in OTB ? Have you ever played against anyone with such a rating?

Time control 3 days per move (to say nothing about longer time controls or timebank) vs 3 minutes per move (2 hours per 40 moves). Cant you see how large is the difference?

Also if person does not play rated OTB tournaments very regular, OTB rating may not disclose real OTB strength.

Originally posted by vipiu
apples and oranges? did I say chess and go or checkers ?
do you have any idea how strong in chess an 1500 OTB is ?
he would have against me about the same chances I would have against Anand 🙂
I think we should get into this discussion more people that have both OTB and RHP rating.

A 1500 OTB is strong enough to be above the rating of 75% of all USCF members and over 53% of established adult USCF members.

This 1503 OTB rated player (so far) is strong enough to have draws against a 2076 rated player and a 1925 player.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Korch
Time control 3 days per move (to say nothing about longer time controls or timebank) vs 3 minutes per move (2 hours per 40 moves). Cant you see how large is the difference?

Also if person does not play rated OTB tournaments very regular, OTB rating may not disclose real OTB strength.

and what about those who play CC , making 50 or 100 moves each day ?
i remember a player who was like a comet here , it reached the 3rd position in 254 days ( july 2006, rated 1200, march 2007 rated 2377 ) , four months later he stopped and dissapeared ... he did 24393 moves of high quality in 377 days ... an average of almost 65 moves/day , but on the first 6 months he played easily more than 100 moves everyday ...
ok, perhaps someone has all the time to play here, minus the time to rest and did other things ( 8 hours ) ... it remains 960 minutes to play each day... then, 10 or 18 minutes per move is enough time to play without mistakes against the stronger players on CC ? including tournaments, thematics games, etc ?
to climb so quickly and play so fast sounds possible to you ?

Originally posted by vipiu
apples and oranges? did I say chess and go or checkers ?
do you have any idea how strong in chess an 1500 OTB is ?
he would have against me about the same chances I would have against Anand 🙂
I think we should get into this discussion more people that have both OTB and RHP rating.

do you have any idea how strong in chess an 1500 OTB is ?
he would have against me about the same chances I would have against Anand 🙂

That might be true in an OTB game if your OTB rating is 2000+. Do you have an OTB rating?

Originally posted by zintieriv
and what about those who play CC , making 50 or 100 moves each day ?
i remember a player who was like a comet here , it reached the 3rd position in 254 days ( july 2006, rated 1200, march 2007 rated 2377 ) , four months later he stopped and dissapeared ... he did 24393 moves of high quality in 377 days ... an average of almost 65 moves/day , but on the ...[text shortened]... urnaments, thematics games, etc ?
to climb so quickly and play so fast sounds possible to you ?

he also did rock solid moves against top players in seconds, and claimed to calculate tactics faster than engines. good riddance!

Originally posted by zintieriv
and what about those who play CC , making 50 or 100 moves each day ?
i remember a player who was like a comet here , it reached the 3rd position in 254 days ( july 2006, rated 1200, march 2007 rated 2377 ) , four months later he stopped and dissapeared ... he did 24393 moves of high quality in 377 days ... an average of almost 65 moves/day , but on the ...[text shortened]... urnaments, thematics games, etc ?
to climb so quickly and play so fast sounds possible to you ?

Not all players are making 50-100 moves a day. Of course making 50-100 moves a day is suspicious, but you should also take into account their opposition - if most of their opponents are weaker players then they can afford to play faster against weaker players (for example against much weaker players making a move may take from me only 1 min) and the rest of time devote to making moves against stronger ones. Also you should take into account that making opening moves, obvious moves, moves in simple, well-known positions may take not so much time.

But of course if players makes 100 moves per day and all of them are very high quality, then it will make me very suspicious.

Originally posted by wormwood
he also did rock solid moves against top players in seconds, and claimed to calculate tactics faster than engines. good riddance!

I would add that there are some kind of tactics which experienced human player may notice faster than engine. Not because calculating ability, but because of experience, knowing typical methods in definite positions.

Originally posted by Korch
I would add that there are some kind of tactics which experienced human player may notice faster than engine. Not because calculating ability, but because of experience, knowing typical methods in definite positions.

I think you mean "guess?" 🙂