12 Nov 06
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Originally posted by BedlamHaha, I noticed that after I replied. 😀
grrr I just edited them to make them more readable for those who dont like being blitzed with info 🙂
Will e-mail you the report on the KG.
Sorry about that 😛. I'd appreciate the email if you don't have to go through extra work, don't bother otherwise. I've got plenty of Trig to look over tonight. 🙁
12 Nov 06
The post that was quoted here has been removedI play 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 and 3.Bc4 in most of my games because I've studied the lines well enough to transpose into favorable positions in the Scotch, Max Lange Attack, Two Knights Defense, Giuoco Piano or Bishop's Opening.
For those players wanting to learn how to win with White in these positions I recommend the two videos by GM Roman Dzindzichashvili:
SCOTCH GAMBIT, GIUOCO PIANO, WIN EITHER WAY and
NEW WHITE SECRETS AGAINST THE TWO KNIGHTS DEFENSE
I crush Experts OTB with these systems all the time because in OTB play most players don't find the subtle moves that avoid White's tactical attacks. However, if a person is just looking up moves from a database he/she will make the right moves to achieve an equal position.
13 Nov 06
Originally posted by YUG0slavI play the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon to avoid the Dragon and also the Rossolimo. Everything is great, except one line.
I've pretty much decided to stop using the Sicilian Dragon, as I find it too uncompromising, which isn't me at all. Coupled with that is that I hate playing the black pieces in the Yugoslav Attack.
I've always been trying to decide between the Dragon and Accelerated Dragon, and have picked the more positional Accelerated Dragon to combat e4.
any Dragon devotees who can persuade me otherwise?
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bg7 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4
I've analyzed Ne5, but after 7. Bc4 Ne5 8.
Bb3 Neg4 9. Bc1 d6 10. h3 Ne5 11. O-O O-O 12. Bg5 I'm not sure if Black's position is solid enough..
7. ...O-O is the normal move, but that leads to the Dragon, albeit a tamer version. 7. Bc4 O-O 8.
Bb3 d6 9. f3 Na5 and here I haven't found a good answer to h4 and somewhat to g4. Otherwise,t he position is fine imo.
Luckily, none of the tougher lines have occurred in actual games. I recommend the HAD.
13 Nov 06
Originally posted by !~TONY~!The Qb6 line gives black the initiative and avoids the usually drawish Maroczy bind positons. Black has a pretty good record with it too. 50% is not bad at all.
I think I must be the sickest Dragon player ever, because I prefer to play against the Yugoslav, and have a better record against it than the Classical or say, the Levenfish. I like the fact that it's uncomprising and outrageously complex. You can't deny that If I gave you the Sicilian position at move 3, and told you to put all your pieces on their best sq ...[text shortened]... ragon for quite a while also. Try winning one of those endgames one time. It's ridiculous.
13 Nov 06
Originally posted by exigentskyThe problem with the accelerated Dragon is the Maroczy bind. If you don't mind it you'll be ok, but it can be quite difficult to play against.
I play the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon to avoid the Dragon and also the Rossolimo. Everything is great, except one line.
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bg7 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4
[fen]r1bqk2r/pp1pppbp/2n2np1/8/2BNP3/2N1B3/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R b KQkq - 0 7[/fen]
I've analyzed Ne5, but after 7. Bc4 Ne5 8.
Bb3 Neg4 9. Bc1 d6 10. h3 Ne5 11. O-O ...[text shortened]... o.
Luckily, none of the tougher lines have occurred in actual games. I recommend the HAD.
13 Nov 06
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Originally posted by exigentskyhave you even considered 7. ...Qa5? That's what I play btw (I think it's IM Jeremy Silman's preference too, but i'm not too sure.) It's perfectly sound, more positional than the average Sicilian, and kills white's chances of transposing to the Yugoslav Attack (he practically has to castle Kingside)
I play the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon to avoid the Dragon and also the Rossolimo. Everything is great, except one line.
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bg7 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4
I've analyzed Ne5, but after 7. Bc4 Ne5 8.
Bb3 Neg4 9. Bc1 d6 10. h3 Ne5 11. O-O O-O 12. Bg5 I'm not sure if Black's position is solid enough..
7. ...O-O i o.
Luckily, none of the tougher lines have occurred in actual games. I recommend the HAD.
13 Nov 06
Originally posted by DeepThoughtvery true, and with the Hyper-Accelerated Move Order, black's choices for fighting it are more limited (can't use the great, Gurgenidze Variation)
The problem with the accelerated Dragon is the Maroczy bind. If you don't mind it you'll be ok, but it can be quite difficult to play against.
13 Nov 06
Originally posted by YUG0slavYes, I have and thoroughly. However, after much engine analysis, engine games and general study, I don't think it's completely sound.
have you even considered 7. ...Qa5? That's what I play btw (I think it's IM Jeremy Silman's preference too, but i'm not too sure.) It's perfectly sound, more positional than the average Sicilian, and kills white's chances of transposing to the Yugoslav Attack (he practically has to castle Kingside)
13 Nov 06
Originally posted by YUG0slavThere is of course no reason why the HAD restricts you in playing the Gurgenidze variation. Just play Nc6 instead of bg7. I prefer Bg7 so I can meet the bind with Qb6 and get the initiative rather than wait for White to grind me down. THe Gurgenidze variation is not bad, but it is much harder to play for a win.
very true, and with the Hyper-Accelerated Move Order, black's choices for fighting it are more limited (can't use the great, Gurgenidze Variation)
Also, Qxd is a joke easily disposed of by black. Among higher rated players, black actually wins more often than white. Qxd is a move to hope for not to fear.
17 Nov 06
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Originally posted by exigentskyQd4 is perfectly fine, and the accelerated move order (no Knight on c6) allows it
There is of course no reason why the HAD restricts you in playing the Gurgenidze variation. Just play Nc6 instead of bg7. I prefer Bg7 so I can meet the bind with Qb6 and get the initiative rather than wait for White to grind me down. THe Gurgenidze variation is not bad, but it is much harder to play for a win.
Also, Qxd is a joke easily disposed of ...[text shortened]... rated players, black actually wins more often than white. Qxd is a move to hope for not to fear.
if you can refute Qxd4 then i'll praise you as a GM
imo, if you really want to play for that full point every single time, then play a regular Dragon instead.
example game of the Accelerated Dragon, Maroczy Bind, Gurgenidze System
[Event "rated standard match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2006.11.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessTsar"]
[Black "Xpoint"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B36"]
[TimeControl "900"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 d6 7. Be2 Nxd4 8.
Qxd4 Bg7 9. O-O O-O 10. Qd3 Be6 11. Bd2 Nd7 12. b3 a5 13. Rad1 Nc5 14. Qc2
Bd7 15. a4 Qb6 16. Rb1 e6 17. Be3 Bc6 18. Bf3 f5 19. Rfe1 Rac8 20. Nb5 fxe4
21. Nxd6 exf3 22. Nxc8 Rxc8 23. Bxc5 Qxc5 24. Rxe6 Qg5! 25. g3 Qh5 26. Rxc6??
Qh3! {ChessTsar resigns} 0-1
first 12 moves straight from memory out of the book Accelerated Dragons the idea of Be6-d7-c6 and Nc5 also came from that book (lines showed 13. Rac1 over Rad1 and 19. ...Rac8 was a misclick (meant to play to d8 or e8)
17 Nov 06
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Originally posted by YUG0slavFirst of all, I haven't refuted Qxd. By that, I mean that I can't find a position where Black is winning with best play from both sides. However, I have found that White has no advantage and black may even have a tiny edge. This is in accord with the chess databases.
so what's so unsound about it???
Now, in regard to Qa5, unsound is probably too strong of a word. The red flag was when engines gave it a poor evaluation. But of course, this isn't enough. So I checked the databases. After, 7. Bc4 Qa5 8. O-O O-O the statistics are not good for black. For example, after 9. Nb3 Qc7 10. f4/Be2 d6 White wins over ~60% of the time (although this decreases over time). I do not want to say more because I no longer have my analysis. But I know that my general feeling was that the line was reduced to an advantage for White. I will give it more analysis in December and I may even adopt it if I don't find major flaws. After all, I don't think the line with 7. ... O-O followed by d6 is great either. And 8 ...a5 is definitely not it. All openings have some difficult lines for Black, and this is one of them in the HAD/AD. I'm not sure how Black should fight yet.
One thing is for sure though, this is the toughest line. The Maroczy may be good, but it is not objectively that great for White. Best play should yield a draw and imo, 3. ...Qb6 gives black good chances.