19 Aug 06
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Originally posted by Dragon FireHahaha, yes very true on both counts. But you saw his rating, anybody in the 1200's could have easily made the same mistake. It just goes to show how important development is. 3 pieces to 1 and after that he was in BIG trouble. Also shows how amazing the King's Gambit is. 🙂
What did black think he was up to on the queens side.
You can't do that in KGA and expect to hang around for more than a dozen moves.
And by the way, nothing (not even Fishers defense) is any bloody good against the KG because it is such an awesome opening.
20 Aug 06
Originally posted by Menso? How long have you been using the KG, g5 has many reasons behind it, and I consider 3...g5 the best defense against 3.Nf3 (Although it's horrible against the Bishop's gambit, especially if played improperly).
I never understood why people try to hold on to the pawn by g5. Trying to hold on the the pawn amost never works, and your completely blowing up your own kingside.
20 Aug 06
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Originally posted by MensoYou're missing the point Menso, and trust me, it's a very good move. It isn't just to hold on to the pawn, and a lot of times white will play 4.h4 then black is practically forced to play 4...g4 which causes the knight to move again, and now black has a passed g pawn connected to his f pawn. It wastes time to move this pawn, and it weakens the Kingside, but it has a lot of benefits, it attacks white's kingside, and if white plays h4, which is rather likely it causes white to weaken his kingside as well. It doesn't neglect development too badly, and most other defenses after 3.Nf3 start with pawn moves.
Only a few weeks, but it doesnt look good, and it neglects developement. For a pawn? Ill pass.
Also, don't forget that even though black has "neglected" development he isn't really behind very far to white.
Oh, I forgot a very important part, this move makes it hard for white to open up the f-file, which is extremely important for a powerful attack start. There are other ways of attacking the black kingside, but an open f-file often helps.
20 Aug 06
Originally posted by cmsMasterI know why people do it, but its still screwing up your position and making your intention clear very early. Id rather stay flexible and keep my options open.
You're missing the point Menso, and trust me, it's a very good move. It isn't just to hold on to the pawn, and a lot of times white will play 4.h4 then black is practically forced to play 4...g4 which causes the knight to move again, and now black has a passed g pawn connected to his f pawn. It wastes time to move this pawn, and it weakens the Kingside, ...[text shortened]... There are other ways of attacking the black kingside, but an open f-file often helps.
20 Aug 06
Originally posted by MensoFischer's D is usually followed by g5 anyway, and if not g5 immediately then h6 and g5, so your first choice makes no sense. Bc5 is awful because of d4, Bd6 is bad because it blocks the d pawn, and so you must be talking about the Cunningham Defense (3...Be7), which is respectable. White can fight it in the following ways 4.h4, 4.d4, or 4.Nc3. Let's look at the last one...
I usually dont accept the gambit as black (I rarely play against the KG though), but if I did accept it Id say d6 probably, or getting the king bishop out.
4.Nc3 Bh4+ 5.Ke2 c6 6.d4 d5 which should lead to an interesting game
or 5...d5 6.Nxd5 Nf6 7.Nxf6+ Qxf6 8.d4 with another interesting position.
This doesn't really seem much/any better than g5 though.
I'd list the other lines and options for white, but I'm going to keep those to myself until after the tournament 😛. Besides, if you really want them you can look them up yourself. 😀
20 Aug 06
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Originally posted by cmsMasterThe whole line beginning with Bxf7+ is doomed for White.
Oh yes, I remember this game, yeah Ne7? is the error I think.
Black should play Qf5 rather than Qxd4+
But he should still win, even if he takes that pawn.
And I think Qg7 is better than Qf6.
20 Aug 06
Originally posted by ThudanBlunderIt's true, I think in the Private forum I mentioned that the double muzio gambit for white is busted.
The whole line beginning with Bxf7+ is doomed for White.
Black should play Qxf5 rather than Qxd4+
But he should still win, even if he takes that pawn.
And I think Qg7 is better than Qf6.
20 Aug 06
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Heres another great KGA game showing the strength of that f file
Game 2365533
Only 20 moves and against a reasonable player.
20 Aug 06
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Originally posted by cmsMasterWhy not 4.Bc4?
...snip... and so you must be talking about the Cunningham Defense (3...Be7), which is respectable. White can fight it in the following ways 4.h4, 4.d4, or 4.Nc3.
Take a look at this game - Game 1885206
Interesting stuff, right?
20 Aug 06
Well here's my K.G game against my best pal:
Game 2389271
I don't play K.G very often but as an intermediate I may well do now. I managed to build up a momentum in that game which was very pleasing from an attacking point of view.