10 Jun 06
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Originally posted by GatecrasherWell yes, I would rather have no engines then advice, but given the circumstances you have to take what you can get out of the situation.
I suppose it is rather like comparing a Breitling watch with a cheap replica. One's genuine, the other is not, but they can both tell you the time of day.
He may have spent some time to show how us clever he was, but it was hardly a sacrifice when you consider how he wasted so much of his time driving an engine and cheating opponents out of their game may be true and valid and wise, but it no longer holds the weight of an international master.
It may be discredited since it wasn't an actual IM, but it was the advice of an engine, which can be equally as strong. And a lot of engine tutorials seem to be writen by actual players (like CM10K has one by Larry Evans), which would make the advice equally as strong as an IM if not stronger, if that is where he got his information. And if that is the case, it can't be discredited, since it was the original advice of someone else.
Edit: Just my opinion.
10 Jun 06
Originally posted by GatecrasherI disagree with that.
Whatever merit there was in his advice, it [b]is discredited. It may be true and valid and wise, but it no longer holds the weight of an international master.[/b]
Whether it was copied and pasted by a 500 patzer or a GM, the advice on the sham sacrifice remains true.
I'm not sure how you think correct advice can be more correct if it is posted by an IM?
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28 Jun 06
Originally posted by GatecrasherI stayed out of this arguement until I had no doubt at all with phsyical evidence to support that Jean was who he said he was. He knew this would happen from day one and did not want to join because of it. I convinced him to join for those who would believe and they would be better off for it. I did pay for his membership because I refused to believe that RHP would reject him because of his game. He is an IM, period ! It is amazing to me that they would not try to ascertain the truth directly from him. I am more than positive, that he would have on a one on one interview with the powers that be, that he would have given overwhelming evidence to them that he is who he says he is....AS I DID ! But now you have effectively ran off one of the best things that has come to this site.... mainly a great player that would help out the little guy. Shame on you. Now I know the next question is where is this evidence that you have ? Get it for your self and bask in your good ole boys club of players you want here. I had to hunt him down the old fashion way, maybe he will respond to you and maybe not.... I do not blame him though !
Interesting.
Normally I wouldn't comment on cases, but Jean Hebert's identity is not directly linked to any evidence of engine use. Whether or not he was the well known IM was not the issue - it was the overwhelming evidence of blatant engine use that led to his banning.
However, I think it is important that people realize that he was a fake.
W ...[text shortened]... r title in the forums, the least they can do is provide credentials to the Site Admins.
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by oilmanI wrote to him, this is what he replied:
I stayed out of this arguement until I had no doubt at all with phsyical evidence to support that Jean was who he said he was. ...
"Hello,
Thank you for letting me know that someone has borrowed my name. I have never played on that site. I am curious to know who might be that person using my name but I guess there is no sure way to find out.
Best regards,
Jean Hébert"
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by oilmanIt's not going to work.
I stayed out of this arguement until I had no doubt at all with phsyical evidence to support that Jean was who he said he was. He knew this would happen from day one and did not want to join because of it. I convinced him to join for those who would believe and they would be better off for it. I did pay for his membership because I refused to believe that RHP ...[text shortened]... the old fashion way, maybe he will respond to you and maybe not.... I do not blame him though !
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by oilmanYou must have misunderstood him when he said "get a life". He didn't mean make one up...
I stayed out of this arguement until I had no doubt at all with phsyical evidence to support that Jean was who he said he was. He knew this would happen from day one and did not want to join because of it. I convinced him to join for those who would believe and they would be better off for it. I did pay for his membership because I refused to believe that RHP ...[text shortened]... the old fashion way, maybe he will respond to you and maybe not.... I do not blame him though !
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by wormwoodI don't believe this. First of all, the real Jean Hebert would probably be happy that someone decided to use his name.
I wrote to him, this is what he replied:
"Hello,
Thank you for letting me know that someone has borrowed my name. I have never played on that site. I am curious to know who might be that person using my name but I guess there is no sure way to find out.
Best regards,
Jean Hébert"
Second of all, the real Jean Hebert probably knows enough to relize that there is nothing he can do, that even if the impersonator was identified, he did nothing legally wrong.
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by LanndonKaneBut the accent is there and everything!
I don't believe this. First of all, the real Jean Hebert would probably be happy that someone decided to use his name.
Second of all, the real Jean Hebert probably knows enough to relize that there is nothing he can do, that even if the impersonator was identified, he did nothing legally wrong.
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by LanndonKaneI think he said that more out of curiosity...but to be honest, I really don't care.
I don't believe this. First of all, the real Jean Hebert would probably be happy that someone decided to use his name.
Second of all, the real Jean Hebert probably knows enough to relize that there is nothing he can do, that even if the impersonator was identified, he did nothing legally wrong.
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by LanndonKanebe my guest. there's no way I could prove my mail is genuine.
I don't believe this.
but it doesn't even matter as far as the rhp 'jean hebert' was banned for engine use. the banning had nothing to do with stolen identity, it happened because his games were analysed and found out to contain blatant use of engine.
which do you find more likely: 'jean hebert' using engines, or him/her/it being an impersonator.
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by wormwoodI've thought about this and one of my thoughts was that Jean Hebert, the real Jean Hebert, might have denied it was him on this site after he was banned for engine use.
I wrote to him, this is what he replied:
"Hello,
Thank you for letting me know that someone has borrowed my name. I have never played on that site. I am curious to know who might be that person using my name but I guess there is no sure way to find out.
Best regards,
Jean Hébert"
But, I just noticed something else. Wormwood's Jean Hebert is using a keyboard that allows him to put an accent over the first e in his name.
Our Jean Hebert did not have that type of keyboard or, at least, he never bothered to put the accent over the e.
28 Jun 06
Originally posted by oilmanI will highlight what I wrote in bold type...
I stayed out of this arguement until I had no doubt at all with phsyical evidence to support that Jean was who he said he was. He knew this would happen from day one and did not want to join because of it. I convinced him to join for those who would believe and they would be better off for it. I did pay for his membership because I refused to believe that RHP ...[text shortened]... the old fashion way, maybe he will respond to you and maybe not.... I do not blame him though !
...Jean Hebert's identity is not directly linked to any evidence of engine use. Whether or not he was the well known IM was not the issue - it was the overwhelming evidence of blatant engine use that led to his banning.
In short: We don't care who he was. We do care what he did.
No human player, whether it be Topolov or Anand, Kasparov or Kramnik, could remotely approach the level of engine match-up achieved by our Mr Hebert, move after move, game after game.
But don't take my word for it. The evidence can be verified by anyone who cares to put in the considerable effort of checking a large sample of his completed games.
I'm not aware of any "good ole boys club" at RHP. But there will always be those who play by the rules, and those who don't.
I have also paid for the membership of a (FIDE) Master at RHP. User 80525. Sadly, he never did play very actively at the site. He was much more interested in recruiting paying students!
I'm sure we would all love to see titled players at RHP, especially those who would happily share some chess wisdom with us in the forums. The sad reality is that most masters struggle to scrape a living from chess. So doing pro bono work on the RHP forums would not be too high on their "to-do list". Even playing here anonymously is likely to be an unproductive use of their time and effort.
That being said, I guess we all have the right to live in cloud cookoo land. Especially here in cyberspace.
29 Jun 06
Originally posted by GatecrasherNor would they want to. Aren't these guys meant to possess some mysterious inner glow that sets them apart from a blundering computer that doesn't understand position?
No human player, whether it be Topolov or Anand, Kasparov or Kramnik, could remotely approach the level of engine match-up achieved by our Mr Hebert, move after move, game after game.
29 Jun 06
For what it's worth, I've actually played Hébert OTB in a tourney in London about 15 years ago. Although he somehow contrived to lose to me, he graciously agreed to analyse the game afterwards. He spoke fluent idiomatic English with only a slight French accent. He did not come across to me as an immature type who would pretend not to speak good English.
29 Jun 06
Originally posted by Northern LadNice work! Do you still have the moves of that game?
For what it's worth, I've actually played Hébert OTB in a tourney in London about 15 years ago. Although he somehow contrived to lose to me, he graciously agreed to analyse the game afterwards. He spoke fluent idiomatic English with only a slight French accent. He did not come across to me as an immature type who would pretend not to speak good English.