Originally posted by PhlabibitSea Devil was around 2200-2250 in June 2005. That means he must be cheating since long time.
Because he was a tough nut to crack. Only recently did he perhaps get more engine greedy in his games.
Perhaps he wasn't reported for 3 years.
Again, detecting some engine use is harder than other engine use. Just glad it was finally detected. There are no 'magic wands'.
Had you any damning info 5 years ago, I hope you sent it.
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Originally posted by JieAbsolute nonsense! In CC a player is allowed to use books and DBs and the ICCF even allows the use of Chess Engines (although here the laytter is against the TOS). That is not a dark side, it is simply a differing set of rules.
Such a big difference between OTB and CC means there may be a "dark side" to CC or the methodologies employed by some CC "specialists".
Originally posted by Dragon FireTo be fair, the ICCF doesn't explicitly allow engine use, it just makes no mention of such things. It seems they take the view that detecting and banning engine users is just too difficult to be worth the effort. While it is certainly easy to detect the weak player who simply functions as a postman for his engine, detecting stronger players who run two or more engines at a time and use them interactively to actively investigate the position is another matter. As far as I can see the recent engine cheat bannings (and most of those from the past) were the result of acting as postman for an engine, the other sort rarely, if ever, gets banned.
Absolute nonsense! In CC a player is allowed to use books and DBs and the ICCF even allows the use of Chess Engines (although here the laytter is against the TOS). That is not a dark side, it is simply a differing set of rules.
Originally posted by ChessAddictionI read on another post that a few years back SD had a heart attack.
Sea Devil was around 2200-2250 in June 2005. That means he must be cheating since long time.
Now maybe - when he was recovering he started to use his engine.
It's just a thought, not making an excuse, but it could be why a player
may suddenly turn.
Then having boosted the grade with an engine I suppose he had to
carry on else people might get suspicious.
It might help explain why it took so long - he only started a few
years back.
On the subject of DB's and book use. I know Eldragonfly has very
strict views about there use. He thinks it should be illegal.
OK he has a point of view and you have to admire the way he has
stuck to it. But....
Me and a whole host of other players on this site have our own games
in commercial databases and books. What are we meant to do if a game we are
playing follows a game we have played and is in print?
Am I not allowed to look back at a game I have played?
Originally posted by EladarHaving more than one name
Is there a reason, other than cheating, that a player will get banned?
Sending or posting nasty content
Other reasons may include
Trying to collect info from users
Racism
Taking a topic too far, being an activist of sorts (spam)
Defaming RHP
More I am sure. (anything the admins don't like)
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On the subject of DB's and book use. I know Eldragonfly has veryOn this site you are allowed. Read ToS 3b again, it is rather specific on what you are allowed to use during play.
strict views about there use. He thinks it should be illegal.
OK he has a point of view and you have to admire the way he has
stuck to it. But....
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Am I not allowed to look back at a game I have played?[/b]
Originally posted by greenpawn34i don't understand Greenpawn, but it seems to me that either you know a line or a variation or you don't. If it brings you peace of mind then so be it.. Having a database walk you through the opening and into a strong middlegame position just isn't real chess. So many unanswered questions.
Me and a whole host of other players on this site have our own games in commercial databases and books. What are we meant to do if a game we are playing follows a game we have played and is in print?
Am I not allowed to look back at a game I have played?
Originally posted by eldragonflyBut at least it gets you INTO the middlegame against a strong opponent. I haven't yet done that, just sticking with my 15-16 hundred crowd for now and don't really need to get that serious but a weak player delving into a DB is pretty quickly sussed out and the other side just throws out an opening curve not in the DB and said player is all of a sudden on his own a lot sooner than expected and will quickly find him/herself in deep doo doo. DB's only help so far. One time I used a DB and got all the way out into the end of it with no deviations and within three moves out of the DB I was in deep doo doo🙂 I stopped using them after that little lesson!
i don't understand Greenpawn, but it seems to me that either you know a line or a variation or you don't. If it brings you peace of mind then so be it.. Having a database walk you through the opening and into a strong middlegame position just isn't real chess. So many unanswered questions.
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Originally posted by Dragon Firein fact, i remember reading one ICCF champion proudly saying that he cross-checked his analysis with several engines for a critical position.
Absolute nonsense! In CC a player is allowed to use books and DBs and the ICCF even allows the use of Chess Engines (although here the laytter is against the TOS). That is not a dark side, it is simply a differing set of rules.
so no taboos in engine use by ICCF players, beginner or champion.
Originally posted by sonhouseAt the risk of repeating myself, that is not real chess and all things being equal that's the cowardly lion approach. Maybe it's just me, but if i lose a game or blow an opening or hang a piece i don't cry about it.
But at least it gets you INTO the middlegame against a strong opponent. I haven't yet done that, just sticking with my 15-16 hundred crowd for now and don't really need to get that serious but a weak player delving into a DB is pretty quickly sussed out and the other side just throws out an opening curve not in the DB and said player is all of a sudden on h ...[text shortened]... ee moves out of the DB I was in deep doo doo🙂 I stopped using them after that little lesson!