25 Mar 08
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Originally posted by DagamoStyleIt may be unclear...but think about the future..that h-pawn is a rock and it does shelter the black king..but when the black king is called to come out of that shelter in the endgame he won't be able to.
11... Nxd5 12. gxh7+ Kh8 13. cxd5 Qa5+ 14. Qd2 Qxd5.
I think you nead to reconsider this position. Blacks K is in shelter of whites pawn. Imo the white h-pawn is helping black. The only problem is if white get a Ng6# but the N is far away right now. I think that the position is unclear.
and my point anyways is... why play Nxd5 when you have moves like hxg6 and h6 available?
25 Mar 08
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Originally posted by DagamoStyleEdit: Nevermind
11... Nxd5 12. gxh7+ Kh8 13. cxd5 Qa5+ 14. Qd2 Qxd5.
I think you nead to reconsider this position. Blacks K is in shelter of whites pawn. Imo the white h-pawn is helping black. The only problem is if white get a Ng6# but the N is far away right now. I think that the position is unclear.
I'm quite sure that gxh7+ is definitely not great for white. If anything were to take it, then I'd rather it was white's rook, along the lines of...
11. ... Nxd5 12. Rxh7 Nf6 (or some sequence of moves that would include a Nf6 to prevent the checkmate threat.
But I'd agree with tomtom232 that 11. ... Nxd5 isn't best despite the queenside attack that suddenly appears. If white hadn't played hxg6, and instead the clearly more favoured option by the posters here of 11. Bd3 it would (I think) have been simpler for white now. Frankly, I'd be interested to hear what tomtom232 would suggest if the move had been 11. Bd3.
25 Mar 08
Originally posted by schakuhr11. Bd3 cxd5 12. hxg6 h6
[fen]rnbq1rk1/pp2p1bp/1nppP1p1/3P2pP/2P5/8/PP3PP1/RNBQKB1R[/fen]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 g6 5.Ng5 f6 6.c4 Nb6 7.e6 fxg5 8.d5 Bg7 9.h4 0-0 10.h5 c6
I think Bd3 is a wasted move...because black can play h6 after 11.hxg6 and after this sequence...I think that white being a piece down here is just too much for him to bear...I don't think, with correct play, that white can win from here.
25 Mar 08
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Originally posted by jockmcgee11.hxg6 Nxd5 and if 12. Rxh7 then 12...Qa5+ 13. Qd2 Qxd2+ (13... Nb4 14. Kd1 Rf6 15.b3! and white can still try to survive.) 14. Bxd2 Bxb2 15.cxd5 Bxa1 and black is clearly up here.
Edit: Nevermind
I'm quite sure that gxh7+ is definitely not great for white. If anything were to take it, then I'd rather it was white's rook, along the lines of...
11. ... Nxd5 12. Rxh7 Nf6 (or some sequence of moves that would include a Nf6 to prevent the checkmate threat.
But I'd agree with tomtom232 that 11. ... Nxd5 isn't best despite the quee kly, I'd be interested to hear what tomtom232 would suggest if the move had been 11. Bd3.
25 Mar 08
Originally posted by tomtom232Interesting, but I had assumed that if black played h6 in that line, wouldn't white respond with Bxg5?
11. Bd3 cxd5 12. hxg6 h6
I think Bd3 is a wasted move...because black can play h6 after 11.hxg6 and after this sequence...I think that white being a piece down here is just too much for him to bear...I don't think, with correct play, that white can win from here.
25 Mar 08
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Originally posted by jockmcgeeif Bxg5 then black can try Rxf2!? or, IMO, the even better 13...Nxc4 where follows 14.Bxc4 dxc4 15.Bxh6 and not 15...Bxb2 but 15...Qb6! and now black is threatening mate him/herself.
Interesting, but I had assumed that if black played h6 in that line, wouldn't white respond with Bxg5?
27 Mar 08
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Originally posted by schakuhrwow...I wonder the strength of the two players...Rxh7 is a pretty blatant blunder...the next two moves for black should be Bxe6 and Rf5..I don't think it matters which order.
[fen]rnbq1rk1/pp2p1bR/1n1pP1P1/3p2p1/2P5/8/PP3PP1/RNBQKB2[/fen]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 g6 5.Ng5 f6 6.c4 Nb6 7.e6 fxg5 8.d5 Bg7 9.h4 0-0 10.h5 c6 11.hxg6 cxd5 12.Rxh7
EDIT: both these moves in conjunction are the only way I see for black to prevent mate...they also happen to be pretty good moves even if mate wasn't a threat.
I also say that black is clearly winning this game.