Originally posted by RahimKNot quite, but then, not quite the opposite either. Mctayto wrote: "Apparently one is 1158 and the other 1219 ". And you replied, copying his statement: "I'm think something very similar. If that is the case then why am I wasting my time guessing moves? That's like taking advice from a lower rated player really. Like following a db game played by someone lower rated then you."
I'm not sure if you were talking about my posts but If you were then I have this comment:
I don't think white is a 1200-ish player. I was saying that he isn't a master level in my opinion when this game was played judged by the opening moves.
Don't quote me wrongly, I do not know either, only for me it doesn't make the game more or less interesting. I was simply reacting to the 'obviousness' of the above conclusion. Several top players tend(ed) to deviate early from the well known lines. And that can easily be confused with a player not knowing the well known lines.
Some lines with a lot of scope for improvement... :-)
11.d5
[11.Be3 Bd7 (11...Ne7 12.d5 Nf4 13.Bxf4 Qxf4 14.Nbd2 Qd6 15.Ne4 Qb6 16.Qxb6 axb6 17.d6± ) 12.Qxb7 Rb8 13.Qa6 Rxb2 unclear]
11...Be7
[11...Ne7 12.Bd2 Nc5 13.Qe3 Bd7 14.Bb4 b6 15.Nc3 f5 16.Ne5±]
12.Bd2
[12.Be3 0–0 13.Nbd2 Na5 14.Qc3 Nxc4 15.Qxc4 Nc5 =+]
12...Ncd4 13.Nxd4 Nxd4 14.Qd3 Nf5 15.g4 Nh6 +=
Originally posted by Mephisto2Fair enough. My intention was not to say that they were around 1200 but It came out that way. O wells 🙂
Not quite, but then, not quite the opposite either. Mctayto wrote: "Apparently one is 1158 and the other 1219 ". And you replied, copying his statement: "I'm think something very similar. If that is the case then why am I wasting my time guessing moves? That's like taking advice from a lower rated player really. Like following a db game played by someone l ...[text shortened]... lines. And that can easily be confused with a player not knowing the well known lines.
I still prefer 11. ... Ne7 (over Be7).
Comment on the line given above "11...Ne7 12.Bd2 Nc5 13.Qe3 Bd7 14.Bb4 b6 15.Nc3 f5 16.Ne5±]" : black doesn't have to play 13. ... Bd7. What about Na4, threatening b2, and then follow with Qb6 (more pressure on b2), Nb6 (attack the bishop) or Bd7 (prepare forcastling + develop).
In the other line given after 11.... Be7 12.Bd2 Ncd4, white isn't forced to take on d4, but can play 13.Qc3 instead, more or less forcing black NxNf3 14.Qxf3, and I think white is clearly better e.g. Nd4 15.Qe4.
Originally posted by FabianFnasIs the surprise that Black wins?
[fen]r1b1k2r/ppp1bppp/2nqn3/3P4/2B5/1Q3N2/PP3PPP/RNBKR3 w kq - 0 1[/fen]
1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Qb3 Nc6
6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Bc4 Qe7+ 8. Kd1 Nf4 9. Re1 Ne6 10. d4 Qd6
11. d5 Be7
Bd2 Nd4
Nxd4 Nxd4
Q moves
Follwed by Bg4+
Originally posted by Red NightI think white is going to play something other than Bd2..I haven't analyzed it yet enough to tell, but at this point Bd2 seems too obvious and only trades a pinned bishop for a pinned pawn.
Is the surprise that Black wins?
Bd2 Nd4
Nxd4 Nxd4
Q moves
Follwed by Bg4+
I don't think Bd2 is that great a move. That may be what white plays and it may be his best move. I'm beginning to think that the surprise ending is Black wins.
Here's an interesting line:
Bd2 Nd4
Nxd4 Nxd4
Qa3 There are not a lot of good Queen moves at this point.
...Qg6!
if
Qd3 c5
dxc e.p. Bf5! This also works against
Qe3 looks strongest