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Originally posted by Shinidoki
Hmmm....this is more complex than I thought.....
This is the kind of analysis I like.

I'm terribly sorry that I myself cannot make any comments of the game, perhaps only ask questions abot the moves just done, at most. I don't want to be in any risk to reveal the next moves, since I'm the only one knowing them.

Thankyou, Shinidoki, you're making this next move so interesting.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
[fen]rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/4p3/3p4/2P1P3/8/PP1P1PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5
how about
Qc2

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Originally posted by ray1993
how about
Qc2
While rules are made to be broken, its rarely a good idea to bring the queen out early....

whats more, Qc2 doesn't seem to accomplish much.....

here's a line: -

1.Qc2 dxe4 Qxe4 f5

of course you don't have to take back but i don't see the compensation for the gambit....

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Now some statistics for the last time.

Given that 1. c4 e6 2. e4 has been played the most usual move is
2 ... d5 in 47.3%,
2 ... c5 in 31.3%,
2 ... c6 in 12.4% and
2 ... e5 in 4.0% of all games.

In the database we started with 380 000 games.
In only 95 of those has 1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 been played.
Now we are lost in lacking statistical significances. Statistics are not reliable anymore.

Is this an English opening? Or does it have any other name? Is it still possible to convert it into French opening?

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Nc3

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cxd5 is my bet.

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Originally posted by seraphimvulture
cxd5 is my bet.
cxd5 i gree

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1. c4 The english, a flank opening trying to control the d5 square without commiting a central pawn

... e6 Probably seeking to support a d5 push, also freeing up the bishop.

2. e4 Clamping down on the d5 square.

... d5 Black stakes his claim in the center. One side or the other could end up with an isolated d-pawn (not inherently a terrible thing as it secures central space and can be devestating if pushed.) and the rest of the game will probably revolve around it..

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There must be a reason why no one plays 2.c4 against the French although this looks reasonably solid.

Assuming white swaps pawns here, it'll turn into something Scandanavian-esque but with white having an isolated d-pawn.

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Originally posted by Schumi
There must be a reason why no one plays 2.c4 against the French although this looks reasonably solid.

Assuming white swaps pawns here, it'll turn into something Scandanavian-esque but with white having an isolated d-pawn.
Here is an example where Ilywrin (2100) soundly trounces me by playing 2 c4 against my french. I attempted to control some of the center with 2... c5

Game 1578849

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Originally posted by zebano
Here is an example where Ilywrin (2100) soundly trounces me by playing 2 c4 against my french. I attempted to control some of the center with 2... c5

Game 1578849
I think if someone plays c4 against the french: 1.e4 e6 2.c4 you gotta play 2...d5

If he exchanges then it opens up your light square bishop which is always a problem in the french. I'm pretty sure 2...d5 is what masters play also.

From master games: 2...d5 125 games 48% scoring for black
2...c5 38 games 46% scoring for black

This relates to this one move game going on as well as your game zebano:

After 2...d5 whites best move is 3.exd5 (better then 3.cxd5) 3...exd5 4.d4

2...d5 is just a great move.

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1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5

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3...exd with the idea of leaving white with an isolated d-pawn.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
[fen]rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/4p3/3P4/2P5/8/PP1P1PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5
I so called that move!

3...exd5 4.d4

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