08 Mar 07
Originally posted by Ramnedin particular, here is the line i'm interested in...
Sophomore.
In Ohio
Yeah I'm sure someone knows about that variation, but I don't.
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
4. Bc4 Bc5
5. c3 Nf6
6. d4 exd4
7. cxd4 Bb4+ (i heard somewhere that Bb6 is gaining popularity, or is playable, or something... but for now i'm interested in Bb4+)
8. Nc3 Nxe4
9. d5 I think is correct here where white doesn't become concerned about the fork on king and rook because he gets strong enough an attack to compensate? is that right?
anyway, I think this is called either the Moeller Variation-Greco Variation
or
the Giuoco Piano Greco Variation...
not sure
anyway, I AM sure that those are the moves...
so... there you go...
08 Mar 07
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Originally posted by Ramnedbut what is white threatening?
Sophomore.
In Ohio
Yeah I'm sure someone knows about that variation, but I don't. But yeah it shows space advantage, but not perfect.
Originally posted by EveRyDay
[b][fen]1rbr1kn1/p2p1ppp/1pnRp3/1N6/4PPP1/4B3/PPP1B2P/2KR4 b - g3 0 17[/fen]
He actually played this position - notice in the midgame. Don't see many outs for black here.[/b]
that's the question...
if there is no threat, then black isn't in any trouble at all...
maybe white could try for kingside play after h4
but, I don't see much...
no immediate tactical losses for black that I can see...
but then again, I may be missing something...
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by rubberjaw30Well, White isn't threatening directly.
but what is white threatening?
that's the question...
if there is no threat, then black isn't in any trouble at all...
But black HAS to move. What can he do? Basically everything balck does gives white a good move. Eventually black has to play the left side...then white's got something.
08 Mar 07
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Originally posted by RamnedKe7, then I think black has plenty of time to consolidate by challenge control of the f5 square with g6...
Well, White isn't threatening directly.
But black HAS to move. What can he do? Basically everything balck does gives white a good move. Eventually black has to play the left side...then white's got something.
then black should be fine...
i agree, advantage is definitally white...
but i am not sure that it's a decisive advantage...
all of black's pieces are on weak squares...
but it's nothing that can't be mended...
with white unable to take advantage of an immediate threat, I believe that black could draw with accurate play...
piece activity os the key...
black needs to get his pieces involved...
if black cn achieve this, he will be fine......
EDIT:never mind...
white has the brilliant knight sacrafice on a7 to win the game...
white wins easily...
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by rubberjaw30You`re wrong. QGA is sometimes used by Kramnik, Anand, Ivanchuk and Bacrot.
lol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...
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08 Mar 07
Originally posted by RamnedBlack has better pawn structure and no weaknesses. I'd rather be black in this position.
Sophomore.
In Ohio
Yeah I'm sure someone knows about that variation, but I don't. But yeah it shows space advantage, but not perfect.
Originally posted by EveRyDay
[b][fen]1rbr1kn1/p2p1ppp/1pnRp3/1N6/4PPP1/4B3/PPP1B2P/2KR4 b - g3 0 17[/fen]
He actually played this position - notice in the midgame. Don't see many outs for black here.[/b]
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by rubberjaw30GMs I listed not the only ones who is using it - they are not few GMs and
how many of us are good enough to be matched with Kramnik and Anand?
anyway...
i have NEVER seen the accepted variaion in tournament play...
IMs using this opening line as black.
The fact that you have never see that line in tournament play, does not means that its not playable for players which are not GMs or IMs.
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by rubberjaw30My brother played it well enough to hold down the #2 board in high school (5 person teams, the #1 player was rated 1800+). Unfortunately, I could never convince him to play any USCF events but based on his score against me he's a 1400-1500 level player so you can see it at any level.
how many of us are good enough to be matched with Kramnik and Anand?
anyway...
i have NEVER seen the accepted variaion in tournament play...
09 Mar 07
Originally posted by Diet Cokeactually, the technical reason it can't be called a gambit is because 2. ...dxc4 3. Qa4+ gets the pawn back (it's not the best move, but it is technically playable which means it can't be a gambit)
It's not a gambit.
Black develops freely while white rounds up the pawn.
The QG is so named because it sounds nice and at white's second move, it resembles the King's gambit