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06 Jul 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireIn the case of Ana F User 285744 who was the lowest rated of the players banned, she admitted running an engine to check her opponents moves whilst her games were in progress. She tried to argue that this wasn't cheating, but the game mods and site admin disagreed.
I am not going to dispute the accuracy of your statement as it comes from a far my reputable source than eldragonfly but I still have difficulty believing someone can be consistently using an engine and only be rated 1300. My (obviously flawed) logic is telling me that if someone is consistently using an engine then their rating should improve so they wo ...[text shortened]... e of consequence and his p rating wasn't unusually high. None of the other ring a bell with me.
I think she was a weak player who really didn't know what she was doing. Blobby was similar.
06 Jul 08
Originally posted by David TebbI don't think Blobby was similar at all. He admitted on Forum Wars to running ChessMaster and even did so in a game he played with Angie88 in the forums here. He knew exactly what he was doing though he was unquestionably a weak player. But so are many of those who stumble around a 1000 or 1100 rating and then suddenly jump up 500-600 points in a month or so. The Game Mods (if any) would be well advised to consider that these players are weak and not assume they are strong players when they look at the number of engine matches.
In the case of Ana F User 285744 who was the lowest rated of the players banned, she admitted running an engine to check her opponents moves whilst her games were in progress. She tried to argue that this wasn't cheating, but the game mods and site admin disagreed.
I think she was a weak player who really didn't know what she was doing. Blobby was similar.
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Originally posted by no1marauderI meant that they were similar because they were both naive kids who knew little about chess and used a weak engine like Chessmaster to help them play at a higher level than they should have been capable of. But you're right in that Blobby knew very well that he was cheating and was quite blatant about it. Wheras Ana F probably didn't realise she was breaking the rules and was a bit unlucky to be banned.
I don't think Blobby was similar at all. He admitted on Forum Wars to running ChessMaster and even did so in a game he played with Angie88 in the forums here. He knew exactly what he was doing though he was unquestionably a weak player. But so are many of those who stumble around a 1000 or 1100 rating and then suddenly jump up 500-600 points in a month o ...[text shortened]... are weak and not assume they are strong players when they look at the number of engine matches.
A rapidly rising graph is actually a very good indicator of likely engine use and would definitely be taken into account by the game mods.
06 Jul 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireAnd that would include 800-1200 who just want to play better and pad their site rating by a few hundred points or so. You seem determined to foist the idiotic assumption that all engine users will end up being rated at 2200 someday, and only then are you able to determine their probable guilt.
The crucial point I am trying to make and that you seem determined to ignore is that once someone starts cheating their rating rises.
06 Jul 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireIf you can't figure out for yourself that this site is infested with engine users at all levels, then there isn't alot to say. It's just the higher rated ones that play in tournaments and otherwise attract suspicion that stick out like a sore thumb.
I asked for evidence that this site is invested with engine users below 1500 from eldragonfly and got a single example from 3 years ago of a person banned under 3(b) who may or may not have decided to use an engine.
06 Jul 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireYes obviously flawed, get the help you so dearly need dragonfire.
I am not going to dispute the accuracy of your statement as it comes from a far my reputable source than eldragonfly but I still have difficulty believing someone can be consistently using an engine and only be rated 1300. My (obviously flawed) logic is telling me that if someone is consistently using an engine then their rating should improve so they wo ...[text shortened]... ategory I suggest be looked at as a matter of course.
None of the other ring a bell with me.
07 Jul 08
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On another note some people don't subscribe because they're cheap, and don't believe should have to pay for anything. The ones that use a service for free and complain about it are no different than being the welfare recipents of the game. If a person tastes a food and don't like it, they stop eating it. If you try anything else and don't like it, you move elseware or stop using it. Some aren't so bright and continue to use the site for years, and move over 7,000 times, (with no charge whatsoever), and feel that they should complain. We really don't believe that the reason they don't subscribe is cheating or anything else. Maybe it should be called cheaping, and the non sub compainers should be called cheapers. Just a thought. 😀
07 Jul 08
Originally posted by hamltnblueAccurate to the hilt
On another note some people don't subscribe because they're cheap, and don't believe should have to pay for anything. The ones that use a service for free and complain about it are no different than being the welfare recipents of the game. If a person tastes a food and don't like it, they stop eating it. If you try anything else and don't like it, you m ...[text shortened]... lled cheaping, and the non sub compainers should be called cheapers. Just a thought. 😀