Originally posted by !~TONY~!For years you said and did absolutely nothing about cheaters on this site and now because you were part of a completely ineffectual Game Mod team for two months (the bulk of which you were barely available because of computer problems), you're an expert? LMAO! I've presented conclusive evidence to you clowns only to see blatant cheats continue to ply their trade here. I don't go on "hunches" and I'm forced to call in, not the "big boys", but the incompetent ones or the ones who's agenda isn't to rid the site of cheats as much as possible.
Yes, MAYBE you would see a shakeup on page 1, but what does page 1 have to do with the vast majority of RHP users. Shaking up page one affects less than one percent of the RHP population. If the first 3 pages of the Player Tables was cheats, that would be less cheaters than people think actually exist. Sure, it's disconcerting that people cheat on this site can call in the big boys to do the rest and take all the crap for not being good enough.
It's no wonder with your attitude that cheaters aren't a problem for 99% of the players here, that the Game Mod team with you a part of it (albeit a nominal part) was such an abject and total failure. However, the community has spoken in several votes that they do think cheating is a serious problem and want it eradicated. If that's not your agenda, stand aside and let people who have the dedication to do the job do it and you can sit back (as you did for years) and ignore the problem.
The post that was quoted here has been removedIt is possible that the actual number of people who play an honest game here is rather small, ridding the site of obvious cheats might just be a relentless Sisyphean task.
To that end i propose fischer random chess, either 8 x 8 or 9 x 9 -with an extra knight- rated games as one way to resolve this problem.
The post that was quoted here has been removedI will mention a few things:
1. I don't recall ever having spoken up before I was nominated for the game mods on the topic of cheating. As I see it, it never affected me and I never had a problem with it.
2. I never claimed to be an expert.
3. I would be willing to bet your definition of conclusive evidence and ours is significantly different. I'd be surprised if you did as much work on one person as we're required to do. Your cast opinion also has no consequences on the person in question. If we ban someone incorrectly, it's our fault. You're not in a position to do so.
4. I've said before, maybe in this thread, maybe in another, that in my opinion the current game mod team never really even got started. I was without my own computer up until 3 weeks ago because my hard drive died in the middle of finals week. Phlab was on vacation for a brief bit. We also never really got out of the 'self investigation' and 'data compiling' stages. We also had some upgrades in 'tools' that caused us to really have to start over for the most part. You didn't know about these things (I think), but that's in my opinion the reason why you didn't see any results.
5. I'm not going to try to argue with someone so fervently involved in the subject at hand that he can't reason correctly. You seem to be more into cheat detection than anyone on this site, and I guess while admirable, it also causes you to not want to hear anything I'm saying. I think it's pretty clear that I'm correct in saying that cheating does not affect the vast majority of the players here. You could do a little simple math and fairly easily that the average amount a player is likely to lose from possible cheaters as a percentage of their total rating fluctuations up or down is quite small. It may affect you or I, but for the OP, I'd be fairly confident in saying it means almost nothing. He's not strong enough to investigate into whether or not he lost to a strong player or an engine anyway.
6. I have the dedication to do the job, regardless of your personal opinion on my work ethic. I didn't get to where I am today(as meager a place on the ladder as I am) by sitting back and letting people handle things.
7. I did sit back for years, as did everyone (I'm sure I'm going to hear that you didn't, else you wouldn't be making this point). I'm also not over in Iraq fighting, I'm not donating to the poor, I'm not teaching more chess classes, I'm not TA'ing more classes during the school year, I'm not mowing old ladies lawns, etc...Forgive me for not looking into cheaters when I was 1400 and neither strong enough to detect them nor stupid enough to investigate other 1400's.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Your question would probably be best answered by "Send Feedback" at bottom of page.
Actually I am seriously considering subscribing but am reluctant
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It's about £30 yes?
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I also like you didn't like the Credit Card and paid by Money Order and, it was for 2 years.
!~TONY~!
Not everyone on this site thinks the way a certain person does.
Most of us are aware of how much you do for the benefit of this site. And I don't recall a single instance of an offensive post from you either.
I wish that all our RHP community were like you.
Hi everybody!
Amazing site! I really cannot understand why some people bother so much with the cheaters and all that jazz; they make me remember good ole Bobby that was constantly accusing the Russians for having their games prearranged (“…all them lowest underdogs around…” etc.).
I play cause I love the royal game and nobody can harm me if he plays against me with an engine; OK, I ‘m gonna have a game lost, but obviously I will learn a lot, and that’s what really matters for me.
In order to became stronger one definitely must use along with his books and database a good engine for his post mortem analyses, but here I see weak players absolutely confident that them engines are kinda tool of Devil; what a pity to waste so much energy over this instead of trying to learn something more.
Cheaters are all pathetic, yes; and the detection of the cheaters has to do IMHO with the business plan of each site. A player who suspects that his opponent used against him an engine has always the chance to inform the mods, back them up with every useful data and kindly let them do their job; then everything is over regardless of the final conclusion of the game moderator; so why all this noise? Such an attitude is repulsive. So spot the cheaters, inform the mods and keep walking.
I always play the chessboard and I enjoy the game; soon the game boils down to the assimilation of standard techniques, so I don’t panic and I try to react with obvious moves when my opponent enters in fields that for me are unknown; sometimes I hang a piece and I want to bang my head on the floor; sometimes my position is totally gone down the drain even when the material is even, and then I wish I could shake the hand of my opponent for his sharp, fruitful game.
I try to make friends instead of enemies when I play the royal game; we will win and we will loose when we play chess; and, as Dr. Tarrasch said, it’s not enough to be a good player: you must play well as well.
So play well, enjoy the site and don’t destroy each unique day of your -our- life with such a misery.
Amici Sumus, best regards to you all
Originally posted by !~TONY~!The hypocrisy here is amazing; in response to your attack post, I posted a reply which while certainly critical of your attitudes and performance as a Game Mod was not offensive in ANY way. Mr. Forum Mod why was that post removed? What site rules did it violate? Or are only posts allowed which agree with the present (ineffectual) policies of the Site Admins?
I will mention a few things:
1. I don't recall ever having spoken up before I was nominated for the game mods on the topic of cheating. As I see it, it never affected me and I never had a problem with it.
2. I never claimed to be an expert.
3. I would be willing to bet your definition of conclusive evidence and ours is significantly different. I' ...[text shortened]... to detect them nor stupid enough to investigate other 1400's.
I'm getting a little tired of this BS.
Originally posted by no1marauderPerhaps you accused someone of cheating which is strictly not allowed.
The hypocrisy here is amazing; in response to your attack post, I posted a reply which while certainly critical of your attitudes and performance as a Game Mod was not offensive in ANY way. Mr. Forum Mod why was that post removed? What site rules did it violate? Or are only posts allowed which agree with the present (ineffectual) policies of the Site Admins?
I'm getting a little tired of this BS.
Originally posted by no1marauderI have no idea what was in the post. It was gone before I could see it.
Did you read the post? There was no accusation of cheating whatsoever though there was an accusation of incompetence and improper attitude for a Game Mod.
Cheating accusations were simply a guess.
I suppose inflamatory posts would also be removed.
Perhaps you should tone down your anger as everyone here wants a cheat free site but I still feel the problem is overstated and this site is better than many and for most players below 2000 it simply isn't an issue unless they are unfortunate enough to meet an unbeaten cheat on the way up and those are easy to avoid.
Originally posted by Dragon FireAbout 90% of the people here disagree with your and !~TONY~!'s "Well, whadyya you going do" attitude if the community votes are any indication.
I have no idea what was in the post. It was gone before I could see it.
Cheating accusations were simply a guess.
I suppose inflamatory posts would also be removed.
Perhaps you should tone down your anger as everyone here wants a cheat free site but I still feel the problem is overstated and this site is better than many and for most players bel ...[text shortened]... hey are unfortunate enough to meet an unbeaten cheat on the way up and those are easy to avoid.
Originally posted by no1marauderActually I think 95% of people agree with what myself Tony and Korch are saying.
About 90% of the people here disagree with your and !~TONY~!'s "Well, whadyya you going do" attitude if the community votes are any indication.
I don't recollect any of us saying "Leave the poor cheats be! Let them stay or anything remotely similar".
I think we also all agree that there seems to be a few to many in the top 50.
I am sure action will come but just because you (or other peple here) think someone is cheating does not mean they are doing so nor does it mean that nothing is happening to investigate all possibilities.