05 Jul 08
Kindly please read a bit, try to play a bit more efficienlty and enjoy the royal game here or elsewere. Chess looks like a language: you are as smart as smarter you handle it, and you have always to work it out. Complain not, work hard and become stronger. Rating is not a means of reward but an indication for the player's strength. Cheaters are everywhere, even at OTB tournaments. Kindly please keep in mind that even when you are cheated it's impossible to suffer a real damage. We do learn from our lost games as well as from the post mortem analyses, our books and our database. And a chessplayer always learns the hard way. A cheater sooner or later will find something else to do in his life or will be reveild and banned. Kindly please just play the chesboard and not the opponent.
best regards
05 Jul 08
Originally posted by black beetleI was addressing to eldragonfly.-
Kindly please read a bit, try to play a bit more efficienlty and enjoy the royal game here or elsewere. Chess looks like a language: you are as smart as smarter you handle it, and you have always to work it out. Complain not, work hard and become stronger. Rating is not a means of reward but an indication for the player's strength. Cheaters are everywhe ...[text shortened]... eveild and banned. Kindly please just play the chesboard and not the opponent.
best regards
05 Jul 08
Originally posted by eldragonflyIt's probably best not to guess which user Squealchbelch is as it tends to make you look foolish (cf Sam Sloans multiple guess about the identity of the "Fake Sam Sloan" on the chess newsgroups). I'm sure it will become clear eventually.
Korch is that you? i guess we'll never know. 😉
Maybe you shoulds take your own advice,
05 Jul 08
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Originally posted by eldragonflyActually I dont need to create multiple account to say that you are ignorant patzer and troll 😀 Actually It`s obvious for everyone with more or less decent chess knowledge.
Korch is that you? i guess we'll never know. 😉
Maybe you shoulds take your own advice.
But I presume that this guy could be someone banned from this site before. Have been sent feedback.
05 Jul 08
Originally posted by KorchI think it's a different user from an earlier banning because of the (rather appalling) syntax and spelling.
Actually I dont need to create multiple account to say that you are ignorant patzer and troll 😀 Actually It`s obvious for everyone with more or less decent chess knowledge.
But I presume that this guy could be someone banned from this site before. Have been sent feedback.
Originally posted by eldragonflyWhile they have a different view and can be inflammatory, I wouldn't be so quick to label all of them trolls. At least Fat Lady and No1 usually try to support their position and take into account what's being debated. On the other hand, eldragonfly does little more than insult with words whose meaning he hardly understands (all the while complaining about ad hominems himself). He sheds new light on Einstein's quote: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." He is the prototypical troll.
Uh huh. About time you waved the white flag there Dragon Fire. Your idiotic statements were beyond redemption, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you choose to avoid any real discussion here, beyond your superficial and worthless string of pathetic ad hominems.
I will give some recent evidence so that we may stop feeding him in the future.
1. Originally posted by eldragonfly
Let's go back to this idea that the only "cheats" on this site are rated over 2000 and in any case stick out like a sore thumb.
A straw-man. This was never claimed and was in fact denied many times. For example:
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
What I have repeatedly said is that these players of average strength are simply unlikely to be cheating (unlikely is not, incidently, the same as [b]not) with the exception being players who are rising through this level on their way up and are probably unbeaten at the current time and who cannot be eliminated from the equation.[/b]
Eldragonfly's script doesn't change. If he thought I was Bob and I tell him I'm Mike, he would still call me Bob.
2. Originally posted by eldragonfly
Uh huh. About time you waved the white flag there Dragon Fire. Your [b]idiotic statements were beyond redemption, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you choose to avoid any real discussion here, beyond your superficial and worthless string of pathetic ad hominems.[/b]
in response to:
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Do me a favor. Don't attribute statements to me (even though I agree with them) when they are made by someone else, in this case exigentsky
Reading comprehension is nonexistent. He ignores that Dragon Fire just doesn't want to be credited with words he never wrote.
Moreover, note that eldragonfly never clearly outlines any position of his own. Instead, he criticizes others with flowery blanket statements. To paraphrase his style: "You make idiotic statements." While the script has a few more variations, its nature is the same. He does not elaborate on what these "statements" are or why they're "idiotic" and his position is more logical. No support is offered. On the other hand, he expects much more from others even when the burden of proof is not on them.
3. Originally posted by eldragonfly
pointless.
in response to:
Originally posted by exigentsky
This is so enlightening. Is it even worth replying if this is all you write? It means absolutely nothing and has no justification. It confounds the mind how you expect that most RHP players have more insight into the cheating problem than a very strong player who has actually been a member of the game mod team (even if for a short while).
Only writing "wrong." in a post is not "pointless," but being called on to justify it is. He dances around the issue and uses a generic statement in place of reason.
4. Originally posted by eldragonfly
you can say it and believe it all that you want, that doesn't make it true.
in response to:
Originally posted by Mahout
[b]In fact, it's quite logical that players Class B and lower who are consistently around that level are probably not cheating or at the very least not in a flagrant way.
eldragonfly: Prove this rather implausible and arbitrary statement, fact is you can't.
But the statement is not at all implausible and the proof is self evident.
If they were cheating in a flagrant way then their ratings would not be consistently at this level...[/b]
The original statement was actually only an isolated fragment and the basic rationale followed it. Eldragonfly pretends it was my full post. When Mahout offers support, eldragonfly does not argue the point. He resorts to repeating a banal statement which could be used in any debate with just as little sense and effect.
Additionally, he demands a standard he does not uphold himself. Proving that everyone is innocent is unreasonable and impossible, as well as besides the point. The burden of proof is on the accuser to show guilt. Just imagine if the US government asked every citizen to prove beyond any doubt that they're not terrorists. Similarly, if I tell you there is an invisible alien spaceship in my backyard and you don't believe me, the burden is on me to prove it exists, not on you to disprove it.
5. Lastly, his whole demeanor lacks any tact. This is especially unfortunate given that he was not provoked and only asked to engage in rational discourse. Here are some examples only from this thread:
"that is nonsense, you are making too many stoopid assumptions here. "
"the witless rebuttals, deformed ad hoc conclusions, and soothsayer logic clearly speaks for itself."
"Wrong you are quite a tool. Prove your insane ad hoc conjecture then. You can say it all that you want, that doesn't mean that it's true. Once again a generous helping of nothing but unmitigitated and unsubstantiated see-through conjecture"
"i hear alot of babbling and alot of childish posturing"
"Instead of flaunting this rather idiotic assumption as absolute truth, simply prove this. Until then your unfortunate and silly statements are beyond redemption."
"i think you mean run and hide."
"clearly you lack the critical thinking skills to support your careless and unrealistic ad hoc assessments."
"Your idiotic statements were beyond redemption, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you choose to avoid any real discussion here, beyond your superficial and worthless string of pathetic ad hominems."
I can't believe I wasted an hour on this. I hope it at least serves its purpose.
05 Jul 08
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Originally posted by exigentskyWrong. You're a liar, fact is this is often implied, and with a casual wave of the hand that engine use isn't rampant except among those rated over 2000. 🙄
Originally posted by eldragonfly
Let's go back to this idea that the only "cheats" on this site are rated over 2000 and in any case stick out like a sore thumb.
A straw-man. This was never claimed and was in fact denied many times. [/b]
05 Jul 08
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Originally posted by exigentskyFirst steps in new science - Trollogy 😀
While they have a different view and can be inflammatory, I wouldn't be so quick to label all of them trolls. At least Fat Lady and No1 usually try to support their position and take into account what's being debated. On the other hand, eldragonfly does little more than insult with words whose meaning he hardly understands (all the while complaining about n this. I hope it at least serves its purpose.
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