21 Jun 07
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Originally posted by ih8sensIt isn't even necessary to do that. All white has to do, is on move 7, instead of taking the rook, white can just move d3.
Bg4 pretty much wins for black if white plays 8. Bxd4
If you disagree make a set piece from that position and see what you can do with it. There's no way white could win a position that open when black has a queen and isn't countered by a white queen.
Now black has an undefended rook and bishop, both being threatened at once.
If you know about the Traxler, it should be easy to win if it is used against you.
22 Jun 07
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Originally posted by Ramnedwell.. there's a traxler thematic tournament up right now.. I don't see your name there.. I do see mine. That says something to me anyways. I've worked on this opening (almost exclusively) for over 3 months now and I'm sure it's sound. If white is patient they can maintain an advantage.. if they take pretty much any piece as free as it looks, that one move can bake ya. That's been my experience anyways.
It isn't even necessary to do that. All white has to do, is on move 7, instead of taking the rook, white can just move d3.
Now black has an undefended rook and bishop, both being threatened at once.
If you know about the Traxler, it should be easy to win if it is used against you.
22 Jun 07
Originally posted by Ramnedd3.. maybe best but Rf8 looks ok for black.
It isn't even necessary to do that. All white has to do, is on move 7, instead of taking the rook, white can just move d3.
Now black has an undefended rook and bishop, both being threatened at once.
If you know about the Traxler, it should be easy to win if it is used against you.
22 Jun 07
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Originally posted by ih8sensI don't see the connection. Not joining Traxler Gambit tournament = not knowing how to stop the Traxler Gambit? Clarify.
says I know how to play it ... you don't.
But I will admit, I would probably fail at completing the TG well. I'm sure I could defend from it.
22 Jun 07
Originally posted by RamnedIt's far harder than it looks at first.. I'm sure you realize that but I'm not sure you accept it without seeing it... The traxler draws blunders at any level... it's beyond explanation the stuff high rated players miss in the traxler. That's the beauty of playing it... it may be defendable but it's hard for anyone to prove.
I don't see the connection. Not joining Traxler Gambit tournament = not knowing how to stop the Traxler Gambit? Clarify.
But I will admit, I would probably fail at completing the TG well. I'm sure I could defend from it.
22 Jun 07
Originally posted by ih8sensI won't disagree, there is quite enough traps it sets.
It's far harder than it looks at first.. I'm sure you realize that but I'm not sure you accept it without seeing it... The traxler draws blunders at any level... it's beyond explanation the stuff high rated players miss in the traxler. That's the beauty of playing it... it may be defendable but it's hard for anyone to prove.
I definitly prefer the Fried Liver Attack over it though.
22 Jun 07
Originally posted by Ramnedfunny you mention the fried liver.. I had always been taught that the knight sac was the right move, not realizing the sac could technically be refuted.
I won't disagree, there is quite enough traps it sets.
I definitly prefer the Fried Liver Attack over it though.
22 Jun 07
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Originally posted by badivan1I've long played the Two Knights Defence as black with generally good results. However, I was interested in Nigel Short's recent claim that 4.Ng5 ("a duffer's move" - Tarrasch) effectively refutes it, based on his game against Mark Hebden at last year's EU Champs in Liverpool, in which Short found an improvement for white in the old line 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3!? I've tried the less common 6...Bd7 on a number of occasions; black gets some compensation for the pawn. Other than that, maybe the Fritz (5...Nd4) needs revisiting. Incicentally, the Traxler (Wilkes-Barre) Variation is quite wonderful but unfortunately quite unsound too. Shame!
Hey guys! I was wondering if any of you play this defence and why. If not, I would like to have your opinion.
22 Jun 07
Originally posted by Northern Ladwait a minute.. the traxler is played by fritz. Fritz is programmed to play openings deemed good/sound. Traxler himself wouldn't have gotten as far as he did playing an unsound opening. I personally believe that not only is it sound, it's also the best line in the two knights defense.
I've long played the Two Knights Defence as black with generally good results. However, I was interested in Nigel Short's recent claim that 4.Ng5 ("a duffer's move" - Tarrasch) effectively refutes it, based on his game against Mark Hebden at last year's EU Champs in Liverpool, in which Short found an improvement for white in the old line 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 ...[text shortened]... r (Wilkes-Barre) Variation is quite wonderful but unfortunately quite unsound too. Shame!