Originally posted by WeadleyTaken from the blog..
They are not the same word!
Nor do they mean anything near the same thing!
Sheeez!
So what is Zwichenzug?
To begin with, it's a misspelling of the chess term zwischenzug. I tried looking it up on the web before naming the blog, but so many people had misspelled the word before me that I didn't have any trouble finding exemplars of my preferred -- and incorrect -- spelling. There's a lesson there somewhere.
Originally posted by dylmore evidence
You're confused. Read Dfthd's post above.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/86/Z0028600.html
show me your proof..
SYLLABICATION: zug·zwang
PRONUNCIATION: tsktsväng
NOUN: A situation in a chess game in which a player is forced to make an undesirable or disadvantageous move.
ETYMOLOGY: German Zugzwang : Zug, pull, move (from Middle High German zuc, pull, from Old High German, from ziohan, to pull; see deuk- in Appendix I) + Zwang, compulsion (from Middle High German twanc, from Old High German).
Originally posted by CenterNutIt's not too tricky, mate.
more evidence
http://www.bartleby.com/61/86/Z0028600.html
show me your proof..
SYLLABICATION: zug·zwang
PRONUNCIATION: tsktsväng
NOUN: A situation in a chess game in which a player is forced to make an undesirable or disad ...[text shortened]... pulsion (from Middle High German twanc, from Old High German).
Zwichenzug is an inbetween move in a combination, often a check. Edit: According to that blog, it can also just be a waiting move.
Zugzwang is a position where a player has only bad moves, and would love to pass if he/she had the option.
Your blog quote doesn't mention Zugzwang at all.
So what is Zwichenzug?
To begin with, it's a misspelling of the chess term zwischenzug. I tried looking it up on the web before naming the blog, but so many people had misspelled the word before me that I didn't have any trouble finding exemplars of my preferred -- and incorrect -- spelling. There's a lesson there somewhere.
A zwischenzug is played in order to keep your position substantially the same until your next move. It's often called a waiting move. Sometimes you play a zwischenzug because your opponent is in zugzwang. On the off chance that chess isn't your game, there's a similar strategic theme in poker -- the check.
^^taken from the blog^^
ok seams like there is slight difference zwischenzug is the attacking player and zugzwang is the player who is attacked.. but really both kinda mean the same thing in chess.. they're interchangeable.
and in these exercises there is no zwischenzug they use the more common term zugzwang.
http://www.chessville.com/downloads/downloads_tactical_exercises.htm
Originally posted by CenterNutMate, that are utterly different. Here are clearer definitions.
So what is Zwichenzug?
To begin with, it's a misspelling of the chess term zwischenzug. I tried looking it up on the web before naming the blog, but so many people had misspelled the word before me that I didn't have any trouble finding exemplars of my preferred -- and incorrect -- spelling. There's a lesson there somewhere.
A zwischenzug is play ...[text shortened]... more common term zugzwang.
http://www.chessville.com/downloads/downloads_tactical_exercises.htm
Zwischenzug
Definition: A German term for an 'in-between' move. Instead of making the obvious move, like an immediate recapture, a player interposes a move to achieve a favorable objective
Zugzwang
Definition: A German term for the obligation to move. All legal moves lead to a worsening of the position. The concept is an important weapon in the endgame, and occasionally arises in the middle game.
http://chess.about.com/
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&noframes=1&query=Zwichenzug&service=&optword=1&optcase=1&opterrors=0&optpro=0&dlink=self
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Zwischenzug {m} in-between move
ah wont let me put in the whole link
search for zugzwang
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de
its like the difference between trap & trapped..
Originally posted by CenterNutAre you saying that a compulsion to move and an inbetween move are the same thing?
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&noframes=1&query=Zwichenzug&service=&optword=1&optcase=1&opterrors=0&optpro=0&dlink=self
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Zwischenzug {m} in-between move
Read the definitions in my above post, please.
Originally posted by CenterNutI edited after your edit.
I said search for zugzwang on that site it wont let me put the link in its too long..
best thing is if a german person could translate this for us..
I did do just that, and it stated one was a compulsion to move, the other an inbetween move. Please explain why you think these are the same.
Originally posted by dylyou didn't read the whole page..
I edited after your edit.
I did do just that, and it stated one was a compulsion to move, the other an inbetween move. Please explain why you think these are the same.
when you search for zugzwang
1 similar result for Zwichenzug
Zwischenzug {m} in-between move
it doesn't even give a defintion for zugzwang...
WHY!!
cos it isn't spelt correctly
Originally posted by CenterNutEdit: It does give a definition for zugzwang. The results are completely different. One is an inbetween move, the other a compulsion to move.
you didn't read the whole page..
when you search for zugzwang
1 similar result for Zwichenzug
Zwischenzug {m} in-between move
it doesn't even give a defintion for zugzwang...
In chess, the words represent completely different concepts. The words themselves have completely different definitions. Everyone here has told you such. Why are you arguing?