@KellyJay
The problem with truth is it is ALWAYS humans who spout the 'truth' and not god comes down to verify anything.
And we are supposed to believe a 2000 year old book, with such gems as a man is worth 50 shekels and a woman worth 35 shekels.
Sure, a god would say that.
@sonhouse saidI corrected you on that point and you still spout it.
@KellyJay
The problem with truth is it is ALWAYS humans who spout the 'truth' and not god comes down to verify anything.
And we are supposed to believe a 2000 year old book, with such gems as a man is worth 50 shekels and a woman worth 35 shekels.
Sure, a god would say that.
@KellyJay
You may not have brought 'god' into it but it is clear your implication is only god can know everything, and your definition as to what science is is 100%wrong.
NO scientist tries to say only science can know everything.
That is preposterous. Besides, you seem to exclude such pursuits as philosophy and music and literature and the rest of the artistic world.
Scientists are struggling to understand the nature of the universe for example and we have some incredible tools to do that now, like the Hubble scope and the James Webb scope and probes bringing back samples of comets and such, and we have exquisitely sensitive and accurate instruments that can reveal to us what stuff is made of, like the recent comet stuff brought back to Earth, landing safely and in pristine condition.
But in your zeal to prove science wrong, you deny the very fabric of science.
@sonhouse saidYou not me brought God into this I put the same question in the Spiritual forum to speak about God and any other direction it may go. It didn’t have to touch God, you made that occur. I never said science is wrong 100% where did you learn to read? I will address the things I have said but your imagination is not something I going to concern myself with.
@KellyJay
You may not have brought 'god' into it but it is clear your implication is only god can know everything, and your definition as to what science is is 100%wrong.
NO scientist tries to say only science can know everything.
That is preposterous. Besides, you seem to exclude such pursuits as philosophy and music and literature and the rest of the artistic world.
Sc ...[text shortened]... n pristine condition.
But in your zeal to prove science wrong, you deny the very fabric of science.
@KellyJay
You posted the scientism hypothesis about science being supposedly all knowing, What other motive for that would you have rather than an attempt to prove since science doesn't know and will no doubt never know everything there is to know, your alternative is to just believe in your god.
@sonhouse saidIt would help if you concerned yourself with the words and topics being discussed and not worry about mind reading.
@KellyJay
You may not have brought 'god' into it but it is clear your implication is only god can know everything, and your definition as to what science is is 100%wrong.
NO scientist tries to say only science can know everything.
That is preposterous. Besides, you seem to exclude such pursuits as philosophy and music and literature and the rest of the artistic world.
Sc ...[text shortened]... n pristine condition.
But in your zeal to prove science wrong, you deny the very fabric of science.
@sonhouse saidMy meaning wasn't that there was an issue with science, but scientism.
@KellyJay
You posted the scientism hypothesis about science being supposedly all knowing, What other motive for that would you have rather than an attempt to prove since science doesn't know and will no doubt never know everything there is to know, your alternative is to just believe in your god.
@KellyJay
I found this:
https://www.hoover.org/research/dangerous-rise-scientism#:~:text=Modern%20science%20has%20immensely%20improved,worst%20horrors%20in%20human%20history.
I was unaware of this aspect of science.
I thought you just made up the term and was unaware of the implications.
Obviously they are full of shiet (the auto censor won't let me print the wordL)
It sounds like it was used say by Nazi Germany to rationalize the horrors they did with torturing people from their medical experiments and such and maybe forced sterilizations in the US.
I would fight that tooth and nail if I came across such, can't find the right word.
@sonhouse saidWell, thank you, you made my day. I appreciate that you took the time, I know we still disagree, on the vast majority of things, but still, thanks.
@KellyJay
I found this:
https://www.hoover.org/research/dangerous-rise-scientism#:~:text=Modern%20science%20has%20immensely%20improved,worst%20horrors%20in%20human%20history.
I was unaware of this aspect of science.
I thought you just made up the term and was unaware of the implications.
Obviously they are full of shiet (the auto censor won't let me print the wordL) ...[text shortened]... ns in the US.
I would fight that tooth and nail if I came across such, can't find the right word.
@KellyJay
It would have been a help if you had put some kind of link to scientism, I thought that was a word you made up. Sorry I brought in the god thing, I thought that was what you were leading up to.
A link would have shortened this list of posts considerably because of my misunderstanding🙂
@sonhouse saidYou are right of course but it is a term I've heard and thought was common knowledge, which is no excuse for me, as I'm always telling people there is no such thing as common knowledge. 🙂
@KellyJay
It would have been a help if you had put some kind of link to scientism, I thought that was a word you made up. Sorry I brought in the god thing, I thought that was what you were leading up to.
A link would have shortened this list of posts considerably because of my misunderstanding🙂
@KellyJay
No problem for sure. I never heard of it though, and a despicable thing it is.
These folks like Average Joe1 and moot and the like are always posting crap where Trump is going to win and we don't care if it's a dictatorship kind of thing they say and when they post stuff I always go to the obvious motive for the post which is usually,' I will vote for Trump no matter how many convictions he has and even if he is in jail." but the post it in a way they want you to think is an actual debate which it most decidedly is not a debate, just another propaganda tool.
@sonhouse saidLeviticus 27:2-4
@KellyJay
The problem with truth is it is ALWAYS humans who spout the 'truth' and not god comes down to verify anything.
And we are supposed to believe a 2000 year old book, with such gems as a man is worth 50 shekels and a woman worth 35 shekels.
Sure, a god would say that.
English Standard Version
“Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, If anyone makes a special vow to the Lord involving the valuation of persons, then the valuation of a male from twenty years old up to sixty years old shall be fifty shekels of silver, according to the shekel of the sanctuary. If the person is a female, the valuation shall be thirty shekels.
This was a charge to people making a vow not that a man is worth more than a female, he is charged more, and odds are since men were the money makers of a family why do you think that would be a bad thing? I've shown you this before, and you still use it as if a man is worth more than a woman.