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@sonhouse saidhttps://www.amazon.com/Scientism-Philosophy-Infatuation-Science-International/dp/0415107717/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?crid=LTVAYCG7YDD0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Q56rAS0--PHhMJj01tLJUAGgT3tgaxzdnR8FTehWVIGvV83FRA4XbT3xEyaeSachO_QxIgJvMvXha3uLWYtVILgiGbPh9TEih17cR9TuuQw.[WORD TOO LONG]
@KellyJay
I found this:
https://www.hoover.org/research/dangerous-rise-scientism#:~:text=Modern%20science%20has%20immensely%20improved,worst%20horrors%20in%20human%20history.
I was unaware of this aspect of science.
I thought you just made up the term and was unaware of the implications.
Obviously they are full of shiet (the auto censor won't let me print the wordL) ...[text shortened]... ns in the US.
I would fight that tooth and nail if I came across such, can't find the right word.
Scientism, by Tom Sorel, available at amazon.
KJ has overstated it somewhat, as if 'scientism' meant that all knowledge comes from science and no knowledge at all is even conceivable outside of science. This is just one of his many straw-men to get a rise out other posters here.
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@KellyJay
You are saying I was wrong, that verse spells it out pretty clearly and I would NEVER believe that would come from some god or other.
Without women there would be ZERO men so right there their worth has to be at least equal to men so that verse should never have been written and has been taken to justify the horrid treatment of women for centuries.
NO GOD SAID THAT.
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@sonhouse saidIt had to do with vows, not the worth of the individual. We were made man, male and female that did not make one above or better than the other. Human culture puts one over another, at times making some out to be unworthy of life.
@KellyJay
You are saying I was wrong, that verse spells it out pretty clearly and I would NEVER believe that would come from some god or other.
Without women there would be ZERO men so right there their worth has to be at least equal to men so that verse should never have been written and has been taken to justify the horrid treatment of women for centuries.
NO GOD SAID THAT.
The worth of anything regardless of what we are talking about, is how much someone is willing to pay for it, and Jesus paid for us all with His life. That is not something done for someone worthless or less than.
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@sonhouse saidExactly what is it you can point to that shows that to be the case? If it is obvious there should be some objective reasons to back that up, if it is just your opinion it isn't obvious and only reflects what you think.
@KellyJay
The one thing obvious, those words came from a human concerned with maintaining power and nothing more.
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@KellyJay
You seriously think a god who theoretically would be so far above humans in intelligence, patience, empathy and more would say a woman is worth less than a man considering without women there would BE no man or men or more women
so that statement is a purely political statement of a human to allow control of women by men.
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@sonhouse saidI think absolutely everything that is in the universe shows us something about God that we can relate to. That means conscious, friendships, family, love, knowledge, truth, peace, along with intimacy. Than there is all of the materialistic world and everything about it that also transcends the material and carries meaning that can be understood.
@KellyJay
You seriously think a god who theoretically would be so far above humans in intelligence, patience, empathy and more would say a woman is worth less than a man considering without women there would BE no man or men or more women
so that statement is a purely political statement of a human to allow control of women by men.
Your views about perverted cultural norms notwithstanding.
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@sonhouse saidGod does not say a woman is less than a man. Culture perverts many truths and use God to justify themselves, it isn’t just roles of men and women, there is also rule by divine right, noble born, elevating one’s skin color, right leaning or left leaning. The intolerance of the tolerant and so on, we as a people screw things up and try to justify ourselves by hook or crook!
@KellyJay
From my POV there is no way a god would say a woman is worth less than a man.
If you believe in a god who could pronounce such you are not worshiping a god, just words on paper.
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@KellyJay
Of course GOD did not say that, a MAN said that and some idiots thought it should be included in a bible supposedly written by a god.
Tell me this: Why has there not been a godly book written lately? Surely you don't think times are so similar we don't need help from a god right now, like when nuclear weapons are being considered to be used again, where is your god for that?
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@sonhouse saidThat happens all of the time, man speaks for God even if God wasn't the one who said anything, so that man can get what he wants. You can do that legitimately and no one can dispute with you when "Thus says the Lord" in scripture are the things you can use for God speaking, if you are not using that where a direct reference is being used, you may as well use Harry Potter you are not going to the source. You are simply making it up as you go making you no different false prohets. When you claim God doesn't speak, it is only because man wants people to believe they have the authority of God, you are doing the same thing, only you are employing the opposite claim, no matter what God never speaks on your authority not the source you are pointing too.
@KellyJay
Of course GOD did not say that, a MAN said that and some idiots thought it should be included in a bible supposedly written by a god.
Tell me this: Why has there not been a godly book written lately? Surely you don't think times are so similar we don't need help from a god right now, like when nuclear weapons are being considered to be used again, where is your god for that?