A Jehovah's Witness contradiction or plain hypocrisy?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No the vast majority of witnesses profess the belief that they will reside forever upon an earthly paradise, where 144,000 persons will rule with Christ and form the heavenly Kingdom, both will see eternal life eventually.

No, Jehovahs witnesses don't claim to be inspired of God unlike the apostles of Christ although I would say that we are now in ...[text shortened]... 'just another created angel'. We also believe that he was the messiah.

http://www.jw.org/en/

Wrong. You all made up your dogma back when you were still using the KJV to evangelize your dogma to anyone who would listen. But the Word of God wasn't good enough for you. Your church created a Bible that showcases your dogma. A Bible you could then use to point to and say "See? Here it is, straight from God's mouth" to gather converts.

All because you could not continue to preach your dogma when the KJV did not back it up. More people need to read that last paragraph you wrote. It's that kind of divisive fantasy dogma that is not supported by the KJV that causes your church to be an afterthought among denominations. The only thing that is clear is that you invented your dogma, and then, when you couldn't find a Bible that backed up your fantasy dogma, you invented your own Bible. Most denominations create their dogma from the Bible. That is why most of them are almost the same. That you created your fantasy Bible from your fantasy dogma is just about all anyone needs to know.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
As for your friend divesgeester may I suggest you ask him to apply the words of 1 Thessalonians 4:11, it will save you and I a plethora of trouble.

"... and beyond all things, do not proclaim the Emperor to be without clothes."

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You have NO public ministry, you have hidden your talent, dig it up and hand it back to Jesus when he returns, as for us, we carry out our commission to preach and teach the Good news of Gods Kingdom to people of all the nations as a Witness as the Christ commanded Christians,

Matthew 28:19,20

When you do engage in a public ministry then you ma ...[text shortened]... y meaningless and empty, remember, dig up your talent and hand it back to Jesus when he returns.

Yes, it says "...teach all nations...", not "...confuse and deceive all nations..."

You, on the other hand, have not 'hidden' your talent, you've sold your talent.

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
Divegeester,
Christians of all types who are true Christians need to be correct in our beliefs whether or not there are Jehovah's witnesses who have truly believed or Catholic who have truly believed. If we believe wrong, then that incorrect belief may have eternal death consequences. If we believe we should not give gifts at Christmas out of res ...[text shortened]... s beside Christ. Repentance is a change of mind. It isn't how good we can be after we believe.

Bravo.

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
Divegeester,
Christians of all types who are true Christians need to be correct in our beliefs whether or not there are Jehovah's witnesses who have truly believed or Catholic who have truly believed. If we believe wrong, then that incorrect belief may have eternal death consequences. If we believe we should not give gifts at Christmas out of res ...[text shortened]... s beside Christ. Repentance is a change of mind. It isn't how good we can be after we believe.

What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe? Close scrutiny of their doctrinal position on such subjects as the deity of Christ, salvation, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the atonement shows beyond a doubt that they do not hold to orthodox Christian positions on these subjects.

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created being. This contradicts many Scriptures which clearly declare Jesus to be God (John 1:1,14, 8:58, 10:30).

2. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe salvation is obtained by a combination of faith, good works, and obedience. This contradicts countless scriptures which declare salvation to be received by grace through faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5).

3. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, believing Jesus to be a created being and the Holy Spirit to essentially be the inanimate power of God.

4. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the concept of Christ’s substitutionary atonement and instead hold to a ransom theory, that Jesus’ death was a ransom payment for Adam’s sin.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jehovahs-Witnesses.html#ixzz2qo82adhH

The Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be fulfilling the following great commission of Jesus:

But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

(Matthew 28:16-20 NASB)

Even though the Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be following the instruction of Jesus to go to all nations and teach them the gospel that Jesus taught they are in fact teaching a different Jesus, a different Holy Spirit, and a different gospel. Here is what the apostle Paul wrote in his letters to two early Christian churches about such people.

But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully....

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

(2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13 NASB)

I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

(Galatians 1:6-9 NASB)

Originally posted by Suzianne
Wrong. You all made up your dogma back when you were still using the KJV to evangelize your dogma to anyone who would listen. But the Word of God wasn't good enough for you. Your church created a Bible that showcases your dogma. A Bible you could then use to point to and say "See? Here it is, straight from God's mouth" to gather converts.

All because ...[text shortened]... t you created your fantasy Bible from your fantasy dogma is just about all anyone needs to know.

wow

an expert on Jehovahs Witnesses that has never been a witness in her life
An expert of translation that has never translated a verse in her life

ouch!

The only thing that you seem to be an expert upon is dogma, mostly your own

bitchin forum that a way ----------------------> close the door behind you, quietly

Originally posted by RJHinds
What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe? Close scrutiny of their doctrinal position on such subjects as the deity of Christ, salvation, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the atonement shows beyond a doubt that they do not hold to orthodox Christian positions on these subjects.

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created ...[text shortened]... you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

(Galatians 1:6-9 NASB)[/b]

wouldn't it be better Hinds that instead of beating your fellow slaves you looked at your own position before the Christ?

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
Divegeester,
Christians of all types who are true Christians need to be correct in our beliefs whether or not there are Jehovah's witnesses who have truly believed or Catholic who have truly believed. If we believe wrong, then that incorrect belief may have eternal death consequences. If we believe we should not give gifts at Christmas out of res ...[text shortened]... s beside Christ. Repentance is a change of mind. It isn't how good we can be after we believe.

your magnanimity is truly admirable

Originally posted by KingOnPoint
Divegeester,
Christians of all types who are true Christians need to be correct in our beliefs whether or not there are Jehovah's witnesses who have truly believed or Catholic who have truly believed. If we believe wrong, then that incorrect belief may have eternal death consequences. If we believe we should not give gifts at Christmas out of res ...[text shortened]... s beside Christ. Repentance is a change of mind. It isn't how good we can be after we believe.

Agreed, but are you trying to convince me of this?!

If you hit "reply and quote" I will be able to understand what post you are referencing.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You have NO public ministry, you have hidden your talent, dig it up and hand it back to Jesus when he returns, as for us, we carry out our commission to preach and teach the Good news of Gods Kingdom to people of all the nations as a Witness as the Christ commanded Christians,

Matthew 28:19,20

When you do engage in a public ministry then you ma ...[text shortened]... y meaningless and empty, remember, dig up your talent and hand it back to Jesus when he returns.

You have no idea what I do or don't do robbie.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wouldn't it be better Hinds that instead of beating your fellow slaves you looked at your own position before the Christ?

Sure it would. Look in the mirror much?

Originally posted by divegeester
You have no idea what I do or don't do robbie.

really then tell us how you engage in a public ministry divesgeester, or will you pull the usual, 'its a personal affair', a personal affair carried out in private is not a public ministry, is it.

You appear to me to berate and have utter contempt for the activities of Jehovahs witnesses as reflected in your continued attacks on their activities and yet you yourself appear to me to be doing nothing, well here is your chance to tell us just what exactly it is you do.

Originally posted by divegeester
Sure it would. Look in the mirror much?

Its dangerous for me to look in the mirror, someone so devilishly handsome could become narcissistic, i do hope you understand.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its dangerous for me to look in the mirror, someone so devilishly handsome could become narcissistic, i do hope you understand.

Too late ...🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
really then tell us how you engage in a public ministry divesgeester, or will you pull the usual, 'its a personal affair', a personal affair carried out in private is not a public ministry, is it.

You appear to me to berate and have utter contempt for the activities of Jehovahs witnesses as reflected in your continued attacks on their activitie ...[text shortened]... r to me to be doing nothing, well here is your chance to tell us just what exactly it is you do.

No, as I've told you countless times before, I will never tell what I do or don't do. It's none of your "nosy-Parker-I'm-going-to-judge-you" business; it's between me and god.

Despite you being a self-righteous blowhard, I do not have "utter contempt" for you. But I do for your corporation which frankly sucks. I know you would like to make it personal but despite your frequent ad-hominem attacks on me, it isn't robbie.