A life saved from the madness

Originally posted by KellyJay
You would get more details reading about it on the web, even BBC covered
it. At a very high level they were/are not giving people proper care.

They would delay care, having people get seen and setup Vets that needed
care right away. They were getting bonus' for making sure that everyone
was dealt within a 14 day window, so what they started doing was ...[text shortened]... t. He was all setup, but his care was
out months and he died while playing chess online.
Kelly

I still don't see what this has to do with parents being allowed to let their children die, by refusing a simple treatment, because of their religious beliefs.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I still don't see what this has to do with parents being allowed to let their children die, by refusing a simple treatment, because of their religious beliefs.

I think family not the state should be refusing treatment, as I pointed out
I'll take family over everyone else making those choices. I don't like all
the choices family makes, but if there is to be someone with that power
I'll take them. Bad choices can be made by everyone, not just families.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I think family not the state should be refusing treatment, as I pointed out
I'll take family over everyone else making those choices. I don't like all
the choices family makes, but if there is to be someone with that power
I'll take them. Bad choices can be made by everyone, not just families.
Kelly

The final outcome of your paranoid yanky tub-thumping pseudo-intellectual pro-freedom religious bias, is that an otherwise healthy child would be allowed die in a hospital bed, feet away from the experts and means to save her life.

People with your mind-set truly terrify me. And you're not even one of the Jehovah witness crazies. It's astonishing.

Originally posted by divegeester
The final outcome of your paranoid yanky tub-thumping pseudo-intellectual pro-freedom religious bias, is that an otherwise healthy child would be allowed die in a hospital bed, feet away from the experts and means to save her life.

People with your mind-set truly terrify me. And you're not even one of the Jehovah witness crazies. It's astonishing.

You play God and don't even see it. As I pointed out to you more than once
you don't know who will and will not die with or without the treatment that
we give. You claim to know, I don't! I do know we all walk out our faith
and we do what we know to do. You it seems know how we are all supposed
to live out our lives, and are willing to condemn when others don't measure
up to your views.

People with your mind set have children taken away from parents who love
them. People like you force your views upon others without respect to how
others wish to live, you are the dangerous one.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You play God and don't even see it. As I pointed out to you more than once
you don't know who will and will not die with or without the treatment that
we give. You claim to know, I don't! I do know we all walk out our faith
and we do what we know to do. You it seems know how we are all supposed
to live out our lives, and are willing to condemn when othe ...[text shortened]... views upon others without respect to how
others wish to live, you are the dangerous one.
Kelly

You play God and don't even see it.
How exactly can my stance on protecting the life of an innocent young person classed as "playing god"?

As I pointed out to you more than once you don't know who will and will not die with or without the treatment that we give.
I know that the girl would have died without medical intervention. I would choose to intervene and save her life and you would choose to let her die. Because you adhere to that life threatening viewpoint, I would class you as a dangerous religious fruitcake along with the parents and and many other extremist religious zealot fundamentalists.

You claim to know, I don't! I do know we all walk out our faith and we do what we know to do. You it seems know how we are all supposed to live out our lives, and are willing to condemn when others don't measure up to your views.
I claim to know what? I'm not claiming anything other than allowing a child to die through preventing proven medical intervention is murder. You are supporting murder, you are a dangerous religious fruitcake. Personally I would lock you up with all the other fruitcakes and throw away the key.

People with your mind set have children taken away from parents who love
them. People like you force your views upon others without respect to how
others wish to live, you are the dangerous one.
What mindset is that then? The one that prevents parents murdering their children because they are deluded religious extremists trapped in a dangerous cult? Do you think that child would want to live with parents that would let her die rather than allow life saving medicine?

Tell me if I belonged to a cult which sincerely believed all first born male children should be castrated at birth because this was written in a holy book and it was a deep offence to me and my god if you prevented it - would you prevent if you had the power to?

Originally posted by divegeester
[b]You play God and don't even see it.
How exactly can my stance on protecting the life of an innocent young person classed as "playing god"?

As I pointed out to you more than once you don't know who will and will not die with or without the treatment that we give.
I know that the girl would have died without medical intervention. I woul ...[text shortened]... a deep offence to me and my god if you prevented it - would you prevent if you had the power to?[/b]

Justina Pelletier family more than likely wondered why their daughter was
taken away, but people like you did it and kept her away for a year. Those
that know, will force their views upon everyone else, and buddy you claim
to know and feel those that disagree with you are less than.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Justina Pelletier family more than likely wondered why their daughter was
taken away, but people like you did it and kept her away for a year. Those
that know, will force their views upon everyone else, and buddy you claim
to know and feel those that disagree with you are less than.
Kelly

I don't know who who that is and frankly it's irrelevant we are not talking about her, we are talking about the innocent child in the OP that you would allow to be murdered by her parents in the name of religious freedom.

No matter how much blather and bluster you throw out I won't let you deflect from the fact that you would support the murder of an innocent child by it's deluded religious parents.

Some people get called "monster" for that you know.

Originally posted by divegeester
I don't know who who that is and frankly it's irrelevant we are not talking about her, we are talking about the innocent child in the OP that you would allow to be murdered by her parents in the name of religious freedom.

No matter how much blather and bluster you throw out I won't let you deflect from the fact that you would support the murder of an ...[text shortened]... child by it's deluded religious parents.

Some people get called "monster" for that you know.

I'm surprised you do not know who she is, she is another innocent on the
other side of the coin. They knew what was best so they took her away,
you should read up on her.

I don't support murder stop lying. As I pointed out to you, you don't know
who is and isn't going to die by getting or not getting any care.

People are in danger of hell fire for just calling another a fool too, it happens.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
I don't know who who that is and frankly it's irrelevant we are not talking about her, we are talking about the innocent child in the OP that you would allow to be murdered by her parents in the name of religious freedom.

No matter how much blather and bluster you throw out I won't let you deflect from the fact that you would support the murder of an ...[text shortened]... child by it's deluded religious parents.

Some people get called "monster" for that you know.

Do you know the name Sarah Murnaghan, her family had to force the
government to change its ways to save her life. As I pointed out to you
no matter what side of the discussion your on people can find things that
are just as nasty as the other side. I'm not going to accuse you of being
all for murder simply because you disagree with me, I can find people
who could have died or did.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you know the name Sarah Murnaghan, her family had to force the
government to change its ways to save her life. As I pointed out to you
no matter what side of the discussion your on people can find things that
are just as nasty as the other side. I'm not going to accuse you of being
all for murder simply because you disagree with me, I can find people
who could have died or did.
Kelly

With respect to organ transplant, which is what this story relates to, there are simply not enough organs to go round. Not everyone can be saved, thus there has to be a sliding scale of who gets what and when. How this is related though to the topic we're discussing, parents having the right to let their children needlessly die, I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
With respect to organ transplant, which is what this story relates to, there are simply not enough organs to go round. Not everyone can be saved, thus there has to be a sliding scale of who gets what and when. How this is related though to the topic we're discussing, parents having the right to let their children needlessly die, I'm not sure.

It has to do with what is needed to save a life! The parents wanted it, the
government didn't want it to happen for its own reasons. You don't see that
as the same, I cannot help you there, for me if it is care she was denied
due to their rules. The rules were changed, she got the care and she is
doing well. It didn't mean it was a sure thing, as I point out getting care or
not does not mean it will work out with a life being saved, she could have
died anyway.
Kelly

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You are supposed to be in subjection to the government or does Romans chapter 13 mean nothing to you?

Somehow I don't remember God telling Moses to be compliant.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It has to do with what is needed to save a life! The parents wanted it, the
government didn't want it to happen for its own reasons. You don't see that
as the same, I cannot help you there, for me if it is care she was denied
due to their rules. The rules were changed, she got the care and she is
doing well. It didn't mean it was a sure thing, as I poin ...[text shortened]...
not does not mean it will work out with a life being saved, she could have
died anyway.
Kelly

Again, what relevance does this have to what we're discussing?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Again, what relevance does this have to what we're discussing?

What is being called for was supposedly life saving treatment, my two
examples went to the family not wanting what was not called for, and
the (rules=faith) of the state didn't allow for treatment the little girl
needed. As I point out if you draw a line no matter where you put it, it
is going to have some ugly things occur on your side. No one wants to
see someone die, so suggesting that some are calling for the murder
of a child is pure _____.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What is being called for was supposedly life saving treatment, my two
examples went to the family not wanting what was not called for, and
the (rules=faith) of the state didn't allow for treatment the little girl
needed. As I point out if you draw a line no matter where you put it, it
is going to have some ugly things occur on your side. No one wants to ...[text shortened]... omeone die, so suggesting that some are calling for the murder
of a child is pure _____.
Kelly

do you agree that there needs to be a line?