A question of honesty

Originally posted by FMF
If you think the notion of eternal torture is unjust then, according to sonship, you must discard the Bible. As he said on another thread recently, "...if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible". Apparently it's a take it or leave it deal-breaker for a Christian life in sonship's view. 🙂

Oh, here we go.

Originally posted by divegeester
We (Christians) should have core understanding of the basis of our spiritual relationship with Christ/God and after that be open to instruction, learning and unlearning.

And faith in God always, and sprinkled with a discernment when it comes to the motives of men.

Originally posted by divegeester
Somewhere in the bible (I forget where) a person without discipline is described as being like a city without a wall. This is a simile I've always liked but unfortunately my wall is a little low! My point is that some Christians seem to apply this analogy to their beliefs whereby the the city is the belief structure and the wall is this construct of va ...[text shortened]... ual relationship with Christ/God and after that be open to instruction, learning and unlearning.

Thumbs Up!

Originally posted by Suzianne
And faith in God always, and sprinkled with a discernment when it comes to the motives of men.

And women?

Originally posted by divegeester
And women?

Women are a gender. One of two in the race of man.

I thought my usage was usual and clear. When I refer to 'man' in this forum, chances are I am speaking of man as a species.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Women are a gender. One of two in the race of man.

I thought my usage was usual and clear. When I refer to 'man' in this forum, chances are I am speaking of man as a species.

I thought so; just checking for misandry. 😉

Originally posted by Suzianne
Oh, here we go.

"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is a verbatim quote from sonship. So, yes, he go, I suppose. 😀

Originally posted by FMF
"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is a verbatim quote from sonship. So, yes, he go, I suppose. 😀

You reject so much of what he says out-of-hand.

That you latch on to this one opinion of his as truth shows your inherent bias.

Spread it thick, maybe you'll catch a few more. Not really, but knock yourself out.

Originally posted by FMF
"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is a verbatim quote from sonship. So, yes, he go, I suppose. 😀

And I doubt your "friend" divegeester holds this opinion.

But go ahead, keep trying.

Originally posted by Suzianne
You reject so much of what he says out-of-hand.

That you latch on to this one opinion of his as truth shows your inherent bias.

Spread it thick, maybe you'll catch a few more. Not really, but knock yourself out.

I think the grotesque "eternal torture" ideology ~ if it is, as sonship has suggested explicitly, a deal-breaker for being Christian, and that rejection of the "eternal torture" ideology necessitates rejection of the Bible in its entirety ~ I think this stance (if not removed from them) makes Christian religious beliefs untenable in moral terms.

Originally posted by Suzianne
And I doubt your "friend" divegeester holds this opinion.

"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is sonship's opinion. And no, divegeester does not share it, as he has made clear. In fact divegeester is one of the very small number of Christians who have unequivocally rejected the theology on this matter that sonship propagates.

Originally posted by divegeester
I thought so; just checking for misandry. 😉

If I added "(and women)" every time I mentioned "man" as a species, it would soon overwhelm (and mock) my message and insult any readers. I depend on people to have enough intelligence to understand my perfectly normal usages of English. Those who don't, well, "we shall know them by their fruits" (or thorns or thistles).

I thought so; just checking for misandry. 😉

I don't hate (or even dislike) males. Not all males, anyways. 😉

Originally posted by FMF
"So if eternal punishment is unjust then we must discard the Bible; for the Bible teaches eternal punishment" is sonship's opinion. And no, divegeester does not share it, as he has made clear. In fact divegeester is one of the very small number of Christians who have unequivocally rejected the theology on this matter that sonship propagates.

And yet you still insert this statement of sonship's into divegeester's thread at this specific opportunity. One could easily imagine you trying to "poison the well", as it were, since you seem to advise "discarding the entire Bible", as you have.

Originally posted by Suzianne
And yet you still insert this statement of sonship's into divegeester's thread at this specific opportunity.

divegeester himself has cited the "eternal torture" ideology repeatedly on this (his own) thread. The instance of me supposedly "inserting" the point into this thread was a direct response to divegeester saying "To genuinely believe that another human being deserves to be burnt alive for eternity for not believing in eternal suffering must be one of the saddest indictments of the Christian faith ever posted in this forum."

Originally posted by FMF
I think the grotesque "eternal torture" ideology ~ if it is, as sonship has suggested explicitly, a deal-breaker for being Christian, and that rejection of the "eternal torture" ideology necessitates rejection of the Bible in its entirety ~ I think this stance (if not removed from them) makes Christian religious beliefs untenable in moral terms.

What is untenable to ME, is you constantly co-mingling the varied opinions of various Christians into one, single untenable view of Christianity. This is WHY there are many Christian denominations. We don't ALL hold the same views on everything.

But good luck on getting Christians to reject the entire Bible. You might catch a few that are weak of faith, but overall, I don't see it happening.