Spirituality
08 Nov 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHere is an insight for you Grampy Bobby; you copying text into a post and pretending it's inspired, does not constitute being "the Word of God".
In the unfortunate event that neither your parents nor your pastor/teacher nor your family friend Peter Newman have never informed you, the Word of God is not to be dismissed as a collection of "meaningless platitudes" by a believer in Christ.
09 Nov 14
Originally posted by HandyAndy
Bobby wears scripture like a suit of armor.
"10. Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11. Put on the full armor of God,
so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12. For our struggle is not against
flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.…" Ephesians 6: 10-12
Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by divegeester
Here is an insight for you Grampy Bobby; you copying text into a post and pretending it's inspired, does not constitute being "the Word of God".
Here is an insight for you Grampy Bobby; you copying text into a post and pretending it's inspired, does not constitute being "the Word of God".
“Difficult Times Will Come” 2 Timothy 3: 1-17 "1. But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3. unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [a]haters of good, 4. treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5. holding to a form of [b ]godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6. For among them are those who [c]enter into households and captivate [d]weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7. always learning and never able to come to the [e]knowledge of the truth.
8. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9. But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as [f]Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also. 10. Now you followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, [g]perseverance, 11. persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord rescued me! 12. Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
13. But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14. You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15. and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16. All Scripture is [h]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [i]training in righteousness; 17. so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
"Footnotes: a.2 Timothy 3:3 Lit not loving good; b.2 Timothy 3:5 Or religion; c.2 Timothy; 3:6 Or creep into; d.2 Timothy 3:6 Or idle; e.2 Timothy 3:7 Or recognition; f.2 Timothy 3:9 Lit that of those; g.2 Timothy 3:10 Or steadfastness; h.2 Timothy 3:16 Lit God-breathed; i.2 Timothy 3:16 Lit training which is in;" New American Standard Bible (NASB)
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09 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterDo you realize how silly and lazy it appears for you to not read the paragraph to the end, where he plainly provides the reference ?
Do you realise how lame it is to lazily quote unreferenced scripture in a debate?
"For the word of God is quick [alive], and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner [a critic] of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
10 Nov 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyPutting on God's full armor means a lot more than just mouthing quotations and platitudes."10. Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11. Put on the full armor of God,
so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12. For our struggle is not against
flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.…" Ephesians 6: 10-12
Originally posted by sonshipI meant to dump scripture into a post without any qualification or explanation as to why, as though the very posting of copied scripture is somehow completely self explanatory and acts as a "thread or point closed" punctuation. It's a weak lazy way of pontificating without actually addressing the point made by the original poster. GB does it a lot.
Do you realize how silly and lazy it appears for you to not read the paragraph to the end, where he plainly provides the reference ?
Originally posted by sonshipI'm afraid you cannot back-peddle out of what you said sonship, and none this latest wall of text explains anything about your vision of "those on other worlds".
I suppose that [b]Isaiah 66:23,24 must have caused the Bible to lose all credibility with you too.
And no, because you have lost credibility with me has absolutely no correlation with the Bible losing credibility with me. That you would think so underlines to me how you seem to view your posting as being anointed or special in some way. It isn't. Grampy Bobby seems to suffer the same delusion; having this sort of air of self appointed mouthpiece of god, unable to post untruths and therefore carful to pick every word as though it's the words of god himself. Quite nauseating actually.
10 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterWait a minute! Could it be that Bobby is really God? Go figure.
I'm afraid you cannot back-peddle out of what you said sonship, and none this latest wall of text explains anything about your vision of [b]"those on other worlds".
And no, because you have lost credibility with me has absolutely no correlation with the Bible losing credibility with me. That you would think so underlines to me how you seem to view ...[text shortened]... re carful to pick every word as though it's the words of god himself. Quite nauseating actually.[/b]
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Originally posted by divegeester
I'm afraid you cannot back-peddle out of what you said sonship, and none this latest wall of text explains anything about your vision of [b]"those on other worlds".
And no, because you have lost credibility with me has absolutely no correlation with the Bible losing credibility with me. That you would think so underlines to me how you seem to view ...[text shortened]... re carful to pick every word as though it's the words of god himself. Quite nauseating actually.[/b]
I'm afraid you cannot back-peddle out of what you said sonship, and none this latest wall of text explains anything about your vision of "those on other worlds".
There's no need to back peddle.
You obviously want to conceal to acknowledge that the "other worlds" (which could well just mean "other ages" ) [ world = cosmos = age ] was not something I insisted was needed to make the point.
Since it was just too, too good that I wrote "other worlds" and mentioned that it was only my speculating, you bring it up again to hide for your own poverty of alternative explanations.
Hold me to it as you wish, the point still stands that the rebels are there for a display of what not to imitate.
"Behold I create all things new" is God's pronouncement when He creates a new heaven and a new earth. Whether only A world or other worlds too, the example of the eternally failed rebellion seems to stand forever.
They were raised to "eternal contempt" or "everlasting shame" according to Daniel.
And no, because you have lost credibility with me has absolutely no correlation with the Bible losing credibility with me.
You just don't take it for what it tells you.
I haven't seen a real good alternative exegesis of rather plainly stated passages.
That you would think so underlines to me how you seem to view your posting as being anointed or special in some way. It isn't. Grampy Bobby seems to suffer the same delusion; having this sort of air of self appointed mouthpiece of god, unable to post untruths and therefore carful to pick every word as though it's the words of god himself. Quite nauseating actually.
But you are not playing any special appointed spokesman for divine revelation to inform us that a verse like Revelation 20:10 means the opposite of what it says?
Instead of using "nauseating" or other emotionally charged words, I would just say that your logic is too weak.
Why be mad with me because I teach its more obvious meaning?
" ... and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Since this takes place in something called "the lake of fire" any logical person should ascertain that that is not a place anyone should want to be. It is anything BUT annihilation.
Besides, the phrase "eis tous anonas ton aionon" is used elsewhere to mean the eternal reign of God (Rev.11:15), the eternal power and glory of God (Rev. 1:6; 5:13; 7:12), the eternal life of God (Rev.9-10; 10:6; 15:7) or of Christ (Rev. 1:18), and the eternal reign of the saints (Rev. 22:5).
But you reject it when it is used for the torment of Rev. 20:10.
The weakness of your reasoning here is not obscured by any ad hom about my supposed self importance as an anointed interpreter.
10 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterNo matter how hard we try, none of us are perfect, so it is not necessary for any of us to have any credibility with you. It is up to you to search the scriptures to see if these things are true.
I'm afraid you cannot back-peddle out of what you said sonship, and none this latest wall of text explains anything about your vision of [b]"those on other worlds".
And no, because you have lost credibility with me has absolutely no correlation with the Bible losing credibility with me. That you would think so underlines to me how you seem to view ...[text shortened]... re carful to pick every word as though it's the words of god himself. Quite nauseating actually.[/b]
Why don't you present your beliefs and supporting evidence? Then tell us why what we believe is wrong and argue your point.
Unless your personal character is being attacked, there is no need to make ad hominem attacks against others. We can just agree to disagree on a particular subject and move on to another one to discuss and debate.
