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26 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsHow do we know the universe has a center?
How do you know what is or is not the center of the universe. We can
only observe a portion of the universe and we don't know how much more
universe there is. My quess is that God might have made the earth in
the center of the universe and expanded the heavens out from it. But
who can say for sure? Only God.
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeorvsakhadeo, is it normal from Hare Krishna people like Dasa to call Hindus "atheists"?
Dear Dasa, As a fellow Hindu, I have to request you to stop entering into a mud slinging match with all and sundry. Your posts on the Geeta are dragging our religion, our philosophy, our culture into mud. You are making the Geeta and the Vedas objects of ridicule. If you want to tell others about the contents of the Geeta, please do so in brief and in yo ...[text shortened]... sweep of that Sukta which yields a new meaning every time. Do not talk so lightly of the Vedas.
27 Sep 11
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Originally posted by DasaYou've repeatedly claimed that theists who do not agree with your particular religion are, in practical terms, "atheists". Does this include Hindus that you disapprove of? Or do you recognize that Hindus who deviate from the teachings you subscribe to are, nevertheless, theists?
What are you falsely and dishonestly claiming now?
The Vedanta Sutra does not teach Hinduism. Hinduism is the misunderstood conclusion of the Vedic teachings.
Does Dasa's 'atheist label' apply to Hindus just like it applies to all the Jewish, Christian and Muslim theists?
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by FMFYou are once more twisting words.
You've repeatedly claimed that theists who do not agree with your particular religion are, in practical terms, "atheists". Does this include Hindus that you disapprove of? Or do you recognize that Hindus who deviate from the teachings you subscribe to are, nevertheless, theists?
[b]The Vedanta Sutra does not teach Hinduism. Hinduism is the misunderstood con ...[text shortened]... bel' apply to Hindus just like it applies to all the Jewish, Christian and Muslim theists?
You are the King of word twisting.
I have said that persons who make claim to be theists - but behave like atheist equal atheist.
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27 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaHow does the typical atheist "behave" dasa? I'm curious of your classification criteria.
You are once more twisting words.
You are the King of word twisting.
I have said that persons who make claim to be theists - but behave like atheist equal atheist.
28 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaThat's not true Dasa.
You are once more twisting words.
You are the King of word twisting.
I have said that persons who make claim to be theists - but behave like atheist equal atheist.
You have claimed that followers of what you call "false religions" are "atheists" (sometimes you even claim they are "worse" than atheists) many, many times.
On 19 September you said "Following false religion equals atheist."
And that came shortly after saying (on 13 September): "The biggest win for the atheist propaganda machine is the existence of false religion. ( Islam Christianity and Judaism)".
And before that (5 September): "Christianity Islam and Judaism have only recently appeared on the human scene after being fabricated from the minds of the animal killers and meat eaters - and therefore they will come and go like all false religions do".
And (2 September): "Persons teaching false religion (Islam Christianity and Judaism) are the most difficult to deal with for they have indoctrinated themselves for years with falsity and they are the most opinionated and the most unqualified for they are truly convinced of their falsity and have to become untaught of their indoctrination.......which they stubbornly resist".
You make it quite clear what you see the "false religions" to be. And you make it quite clear that you think "Following false religion equals atheist."
So, I am not twisting your words. Indeed I am quoting you verbatim.
Therefore I ask again, for you is Hindu a "false religion" and therefore "atheist" in the same way as you say the so-called "false religions" of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are "atheist"?
28 Sep 11
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Dasa,
You've got some explaining to do. In my short span here I've seen you describe those whom disagree with your beliefs (whatever they may be, I'm still trying to figure that out) as people who are not qualified spiritually -- I've even seen you describe people you disagree with as "dishonest."
Man up and own it or retract. Pretty simple, really. Are followers of other ideologies than your own, qualified as theists, or all we all "atheists" since we evidently worship a false god or gods?
28 Sep 11
Originally posted by FMFIf you stop looking into everything with your fault finding mentality - you will not get things mixed up as often as you do.
That's not true Dasa.
You have claimed that followers of what you call "false religions" are "atheists" (sometimes you even claim they are "worse" than atheists) many, many times.
On 19 September you said [b]"Following false religion equals atheist."
And that came shortly after saying (on 13 September): "The biggest win for the atheist propaganda m ...[text shortened]... d "false religions" of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are "atheist"?[/b]
I have never said Hinduism is false.
I have said that - it is not what I present.
The Hinduism of to-day is a hodge-podge of collections of Vedic writings - not giving the correct conclusion of Vedanta Sutra.
Because Hinduism does not give the correct conclusion and misleads persons - then I disassociate myself from it.
Remember that the word Hindu is a current concoction in itself - and it is describing persons who worship demi-Gods.
Vedanta presents the worship of Vishnu and the Supreme personality of Godhead.
This is what I present - the worship of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Vishnu is an expansion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Demi-Gods are not expansions of God.....so persons who worship demigods are not worshipping the Lord.
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Originally posted by DasaAn yet you have frequently said that all religions apart from your one are "false".So Hindu is not a "false religion" and therefore not "atheist" in the same way as you say the so-called "false religions" of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are "atheist? Is that what you are saying?
I have never said Hinduism is false.
28 Sep 11
Originally posted by sumydidIf you ask the question again politely I will respond.
Dasa,
You've got some explaining to do. In my short span here I've seen you describe those whom disagree with your beliefs (whatever they may be, I'm still trying to figure that out) as people who are not qualified spiritually -- I've even seen you describe people you disagree with as "dishonest."
Man up and own it or retract. Pretty simple, really. ...[text shortened]... ied as theists, or all we all "atheists" since we evidently worship a false god or gods?
Your launching into an attack first up - is not the way to enquire about spirituality.
28 Sep 11
Originally posted by FMFHinduism is not false............but confused and mixed up and it often presents incorrect knowledge (but not deliberately)
So Hindu is not a "false religion" and therefore not "atheist" in the same way as you say the so-called "false religions" of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are "atheist? Is that what you are saying?
Hinduism has a culture of grandma said this and grandpa said that around the camp fire -- and so most Indians have "not very well understood stories" to go by for their religious foundation.