Abiogenesis

@philokalia said
Wait, what? What are you talking about?

I don't know what you are talking about.

What are you trying to say? I don't understand.

You said about me "...even going back to delete bad posts (like he did in a thread recently) because he thinks he wins by maintaining a clean slate in overt ad hominem". This is false. I told you what the two posts addressed to sonship were about. What "overt ad hominems"?

@fmf said
If you honestly think I have ever felt "heated" in any exchange with you, you are completely misreading the situation.

I found your theme song:

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@fmf said
You said about me "...even going back to delete bad posts (like he did in a thread recently) because he thinks he wins by maintaining a clean slate in overt ad hominem". This is false. I told you what the two posts addressed to sonship were about. What "overt ad hominems"?

Alright, then.

Keep your secrets.

@philokalia said
Alright, then.

Keep your secrets.

I think you should post as you see fit. I presume you have spent the last half an hour or so posting as you see fit.

@fmf said
I think you should post as you see fit. I presume you have spent the last half an hour or so posting as you see fit.

Why do you think this is the way that I want to post?

@philokalia said
Why do you think this is the way that I want to post?

Maybe you've not got much on your plate and you have nothing better to do on a midweek afternoon?

@fmf said
Maybe you've not got much on your plate and you have nothing better to do on a midweek afternoon?

From: FMF with 39 pages of posts, doing the same thing as me on a Thursday...

To:Me, with 14 pages of posts, doing something atypical on a Thursday...

@philokalia said
From: FMF with 39 pages of posts, doing the same thing as me on a Thursday...

To:Me, with 14 pages of posts, doing something atypical on a Thursday...

I have been engaging you these last 30 minutes or so. But you don't seem to want to talk about any of the topics I have been discussing with people on my 39 pages. It's your prerogative of course.

@BigDoggProblem

If this is indeed a problem, then theists have it, too.

If it truly "makes no sense" that non-living matter can give rise to living matter, then God could not have animated a pile of dirt and made "Adam".

But we admit up front - "We have a belief. We have a faith. We did not observe this."

Some of you guys have a religion but pretend it is something more - science.

If you do go to the lab and produce living organism from perfectly non-living material, what would you have proved?

You would have proved that by INTELLIGENT intervention previous life had the ability to create subsequent life. Which is an argument for God having done so with God's intelligence and ability.

I don't see how you can win any atheistic argument even if you successfully turned non-living material into a living organism. Your success demonstrates intelligent design which at least steps closer to God a Creator.

@philokalia said
Dictionary.com is brutal on this one, bra:

the now discredited theory that living organisms can arise spontaneously from inanimate matter; spontaneous generation.

That is an archaic definition of abiogenesis.
Try wiki for a full definition!

@sonship said

I don't see how you can win any atheistic argument

Mind closed or what!

@wolfgang59

Mind closed or what!

Don't dodge the SPECIFICS on me. I said that by intelligent scientists producing life from non-living material they would have demonstrated that previous life intelligently produced subsequent life.

That is hardly an argument to strengthen atheism. It would be closer to intelligent design and therefore be closer to theism.

If you disagree, explain why you do.

@fmf said
It's interesting to see how self-serving and partisan your attitude and approach are to this supposedly "painfully obvious" evidence.

You can be like a fly buzzing around someone's face sometimes. If you want to
defend the faith of others, defend them. I care about the truth and I believe Jesus
Christ is that truth which God has given us. You pissed on Him, and are still doing
that, setting yourself up for destruction and your attempting to take down as
many with you as possible. I hope you repent and return while you still can, but
each day we all move closer to the point of arriving at where we are going.

@kellyjay said
I care about the truth and I believe Jesus
Christ is that truth which God has given us. You pissed on Him, and are still doing
that, setting yourself up for destruction and your attempting to take down as
many with you as possible.

I "pissed" on who?

@kellyjay said
You can be like a fly buzzing around someone's face sometimes.

I think the incoherent and inconsistent things I find in the dogma that you recite here are more substantial than can be dismissed by calling it "a fly buzzing around". It's a debate and discussion forum, KellyJay; engaging people you disagree with is par for the course.