Abiogenesis

@kellyjay said
I hope you repent and return while you still can, but
each day we all move closer to the point of arriving at where we are going.

"Repent"? But I am not a Christian, KellyJay.

@sonship said

I said that by intelligent scientists producing life from non-living material they would have demonstrated that previous life intelligently produced subsequent life.

That is hardly an argument to strengthen atheism. It would be closer to intelligent design and therefore be closer to theism.

If you disagree, explain why you do.

But it would not be the "Intelligent Scientists" producing life.
They would just be setting up the conditions.
Conditions which would have happened naturally.
Where is the design?

@fmf said
"Repent"? But I am not a Christian, KellyJay.

You are a made by God who is your creator if you admit it or not. Turning from Him
is what you have done, and you define yourself by that.

@fmf said
I think the incoherent and inconsistent things I find in the dogma that you recite here are more substantial than can be dismissed by calling it "a fly buzzing around". It's a debate and discussion forum, KellyJay; engaging people you disagree with is par for the course.

You were repeatedly told I didn't care to defend someone else' beliefs yet you
carried on and on, if you want to engage someone and they tell you no, take the
hint, stop being an a$$ about it.

@fmf said
I "pissed" on who?

Jesus Christ.

@kellyjay said
You are a made by God who is your creator if you admit it or not. Turning from Him
is what you have done, and you define yourself by that.

I am not a believer. I don't profess Christian faith. I used to believe but I lost my faith. Therefore, I don't think I have "turned from" anyone. I don't believe that I was "made" by the god figure that you promote here in this community.

@kellyjay said
Jesus Christ.

I haven't "pissed" on anyone. I simply lost my faith and stopped believing. I haven't "pissed" on anyone or anything. I am not "pissing" on Islam or Judaism or Hinduism either, despite not being adherents of those religions. Not being a member of your religion does not involve me "pissing" on anyone. Your metaphor indicates that you lack understanding of what loss of faith is.

@kellyjay said
You were repeatedly told I didn't care to defend someone else' beliefs yet you
carried on and on, if you want to engage someone and they tell you no, take the
hint, stop being an a$$ about it.

It's a debate and discussion forum, KellyJay. You are making claims in a public space. I am an agnostic atheist and I don't think there has been a credible revelation by any supernatural creator being.

Having said that, as I have explained many times before, I think that the universe, nature and human nature are some of the strongest pieces of evidence that all believers in a creator beings have got. I am an atheist and I can state this - you are religious, and yet you can't. It seems odd.

I never asked you to "defend someone else's beliefs". You have made that up. I was just asking you about your attitude to the "evidence" that you cite. It turns out your perception of that "evidence" does not amount to much. You can only see it through the prism of your own religion. That demotes you and your mindmap, I think.

@kellyjay said
Jesus Christ.

I believe Jesus was a man who died 2,000 years ago. I am not "pissing" on him at all. Not subscribing to your ideology is not me "pissing" on someone. I don't believe that Muhammed met and received instructions from Gabriel in a cave but that does not mean I am "pissing" on Muhammed.

@fmf said
It's a debate and discussion forum, KellyJay. You are making claims in a public space. I am an agnostic atheist and I don't think there has been a credible revelation by any supernatural creator being. Having said that, as I have said, I think that the universe, nature and human nature are some of the strongest pieces of evidence that all believers in a creator being have got. I ...[text shortened]... can only see it through the prism of your own religion. That demotes you and your mindmap, I think.

You made claims like the one you are doing now, and asked me not to question you
about your Christian past, I have tried to honor your request, public discussion or
not. Having said that, if you want to open up the door to have your life discussed
and questioned non-stop keep this up.

@fmf said
I am not a believer. I don't profess Christian faith. I used to believe but I lost my faith. Therefore, I don't think I have "turned from" anyone. I don't believe that I was "made" by the god figure that you promote here in this community.

If you were ever a Christian, Jesus Christ should have been your first love who you
turned on and now attempt to keep others from Him even though He sacrificed
Himself for us all.

@kellyjay said
You made claims like the one you are doing now, and asked me not to question you
about your Christian past, I have tried to honor your request, public discussion or
not. Having said that, if you want to open up the door to have your life discussed
and questioned non-stop keep this up.

I am happy to discuss my current beliefs. The only beliefs of yours I am interested in discussing are your current ones.

Here is one of my current beliefs: I think that the universe, nature and human nature are some of the strongest pieces of evidence that all believers in a creator beings have got. I am an atheist and I can state this - you are a theist, and yet you can't.

You sidestepped this current belief of mine which engages you about your current belief - and went back to your hackneyed "your Christian past" riff yet again.

Just go with your FMF-is-lying riff, and be done with it, I don't mind.

But it seems a strange way for you to erect a fence around your own current beliefs on a debate and discussion forum.

@kellyjay said
If you were ever a Christian, Jesus Christ should have been your first love who you
turned on and now attempt to keep others from Him even though He sacrificed
Himself for us all.

I am a non-believer, KellyJay. I lost my faith. I no longer subscribe to an ideology centred on Jesus Christ. I don't see him in the way you do. I don't believe he sacrificed himself for either of us. I haven't "turned on" him. I am not "attempting to keep others from him", I am simply sharing my atheistic perspective.

@kellyjay said
if you want to open up the door to have your life discussed
and questioned non-stop keep this up.

There's no need to question my past beliefs non-stop or to discuss my life because you know I am not interested. I am, however, happy to simply discuss my current beliefs. There is no door that you need to open to the Christian years in my life. I post here as an agnostic atheist.

@fmf said
I am happy to discuss my current beliefs. The only beliefs of yours I am interested in discussing are your current ones.

Here is one of my current beliefs: I think that the universe, nature and human nature are some of the strongest pieces of evidence that all believers in a creator beings have got. I am an atheist and I can state this - you are a theist, and yet you can't.
...[text shortened]... range way for you to erect a fence around your own current beliefs on a debate and discussion forum.

I don’t mind sharing what I believe, but how things promote or relate to other religions I don’t care. So being repeatedly asked about something you were told I am not going to discuss is simply harassing and it doesn’t matter what your intentions or desires are.