All sins forgiven

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Okay my friend, have it your way, Let yourself be judged on your own merits.
I have an advocate, Jesus Christ.🙂

Now you know how I will be judged .. you really know quite a lot.

As for your advocate statement, here is the whole story ;

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (1 John 2:1-6 KJV)

- First thing .. DONT SIN.
- If you sin, then you have an advocate - Jesus
- Jesus is an advocate for the sins of the whole world
- If you know Jesus [like you claim] then you will keep Jesus's commandments [however you have repeatedly said that Jesus' commandments does not apply to you]

I think you [by your own mouth] are going to be in a serious pickle on judgment day.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Now you know how I will be judged .. you really know quite a lot.

As for your advocate statement, here is the whole story ;

[i]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also ...[text shortened]... to you]

I think you [by your own mouth] are going to be in a serious pickle on judgment day.

Can you show me where I said this? That is ridiculous. Now you are making things up.

however you have repeatedly said that Jesus' commandments does not apply to you

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Can you show me where I said this? That is ridiculous. Now you are making things up.

[b]however you have repeatedly said that Jesus' commandments does not apply to you[/b]

You conveniently have a short memory.
According to you the Administration of Grace is what is now in effect.
What is that about?

Originally posted by Rajk999
What is strange is that you are not understanding the meaning of the word "IF', but you keep using it and making conclusions as if they are certain.

Eternity starts when Christ returns and the believer is judged and given eternal life. But you are free to think what you want. The facts do not change :-

- We live in this fleshly body in the HOPE of e ...[text shortened]... EN eternal life is granted. IF the believer has done evil then eternal damnation is the reward.

I'm not concern with the word 'if', the question I asked was for those that turn to Christ,
receiving Him and walking out their lives with Him, there is no 'if' for them is there?

You think that someone who gives their lives to God, trust in His forgiveness, walks out
there lives with Him has something to fear with the word 'if' with God? I don't see that, I
see Christ promises as sure, and true.

With respect to eternity, we are all in eternity at this point in time, it is just isn't yet revealed
where all of us are going to fall out. Eternity doesn't start on judgment day, that is just the
day that all is revealed and we move on in one place or another. We can look at the
number line and see it going forever and ever starting at either 0 or 1, or 23 or 34 it does
not matter where you start eternity, it is eternity because it never ends.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You conveniently have a short memory.
According to you the Administration of Grace is what is now in effect.
What is that about?

Just because you are ignorant of dispensation does not mean I don't follow Jesus Christ.
That is why I repeatedly say you make no sense.

Originally posted by Rajk999
What is strange is that you are not understanding the meaning of the word "IF', but you keep using it and making conclusions as if they are certain.

Eternity starts when Christ returns and the believer is judged and given eternal life. But you are free to think what you want. The facts do not change :-

- We live in this fleshly body in the HOPE of e ...[text shortened]... EN eternal life is granted. IF the believer has done evil then eternal damnation is the reward.

"IF the believer has done evil then eternal damnation is the reward."

I don't get you, why do you keep putting believers into this eternal damnation spot and
ignore the non-believers who are so much worse off?

We are saved by God's grace, through faith not of ourselves it is a gift of God. Through
God we see the evil in this world much clearer than those without God because some
things cannot be understood in the flesh, they require the Spirit of God. Yet you have
the unbelievers held to a different standard. I get some who believe are going to Hell,
the devil believes it is not going to save him.

Originally posted by KellyJay
"IF the believer has done evil then eternal damnation is the reward."

I don't get you, why do you keep putting believers into this eternal damnation spot and
ignore the non-believers who are so much worse off?

We are saved by God's grace, through faith not of ourselves it is a gift of God. Through
God we see the evil in this world much clearer than ...[text shortened]... dard. I get some who believe are going to Hell,
the devil believes it is not going to save him.

You are really hardheaded KJ. This passage applies to ALL PEOPLE. .. both believers and unbelievers:

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(John 5:28-29 KJV)

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Just because you are ignorant of dispensation does not mean I don't follow Jesus Christ.
That is why I repeatedly say you make no sense.

The Bible describes nothing of any dispensation which voids the teachings of Christ. Good works, righteousness and following of the commandments of Jesus are essential prerequisites for entry into the Kingdom of God .. always was and always will be.

There however is a long and detailed analysis of how and why the coming of Christ voided the Law of Moses. That is clear and there is a new dispensation with the arrival of Christ. There is no dispensation after that. Any new dispensation is a fabrication of men, designed to draw people into the churches [to full the pockets of pastors], under the false pretense that there is nothing to do but say 'I believe in Jesus'. People [like yourself] love to hear that you have no commandments to follow, sin is covered and eternal life guaranteed. But that doctrine is a fools paradise and a ticket to damnation.

Makes perfect sense to me why you would gravitate toward such a doctrine.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You are really hardheaded KJ. This passage applies to ALL PEOPLE. .. both believers and unbelievers:

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(John 5:28-29 KJV)

The passage says that, you don't which is what I complained about to you.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The Bible describes nothing of any dispensation which voids the teachings of Christ. Good works, righteousness and following of the commandments of Jesus are essential prerequisites for entry into the Kingdom of God .. always was and always will be.

There however is a long and detailed analysis of how and why the coming of Christ voided the Law of Moses ...[text shortened]... icket to damnation.

Makes perfect sense to me why you would gravitate toward such a doctrine.

Why is it you will ignore some passaged that Jesus talks about unbelievers, and yet get
on others about other passages that Jesus says? Why do you feel you can cheery pick
the things Jesus says?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Why is it you will ignore some passaged that Jesus talks about unbelievers, and yet get
on others about other passages that Jesus says? Why do you feel you can cheery pick
the things Jesus says?

Are there unbelievers in this thread?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Are there unbelievers in this thread?

Does it matter? I think it does!

Originally posted by KellyJay
Does it matter? I think it does!

The topic is about Christians,
There are no unbelievers in this thread posting.
The christians in this thread post points about Christians.

YET You constantly want go Off topic and talk about non Christians and unbelievers.

I am staying ON topic and posting in response to what Christians post about themselves and their doctrine.

You are missing a few screws pal. .

Originally posted by Rajk999
The topic is about Christians,
There are no unbelievers in this thread posting.
The christians in this thread post points about Christians.

YET You constantly want go Off topic and talk about non Christians and unbelievers.

I am staying ON topic and posting in response to what Christians post about themselves and their doctrine.

You are missing a few screws pal. .

No, the topic is "All sins forgiven" unbelievers, believe it or not also have sins. Unless you
have some doctrine I'm not aware of concerning them. I don't care if there are unbelievers
posting in this thread or not, the topic was thrown out there for all sins not just those that
post in this thread.

The Christians in this thread of which I am one, are not limited to only speak about the
sins of believers only, since the world is full of sinners as each and every person is one,
than each and every person is part of the discussion.

Your insults don't add to this discussion.

A promise is something that you WAIT FOR.
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" I have written these things to you that you may KNOW that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13 Recovery Version, my emphasis )

A promise is something that you DO NOT HAVE AS YET.
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King James Bible

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

You wait until Christ returns, THEN ONLY THEN you get eternal life IF and ONLY IF you qualify according to this basic rule that Christ repeated a zillion times
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International Standard Version

I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

NET Bible

I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English

These things I have written to you that you will know that you have Eternal Life, you who believe in the name of The Son of God.

You do good - eternal life
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You know that you have eternal life as a Christian. And you go on to LIVE that divine life that you have.

American King James Version
These things have I written to you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.

American Standard Version
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.

You do evil - eternal damnation.
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The Christian has done the most basic good, he has believed Him whom God has sent. He STARTS there and he knows that he has eternal life.

"Then they said to HIm, What shall we do that we may work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe into Him whom He has sent." ( John 6:28,29)

" I have written these things to you that you may KNOW that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)

Right now all you have is a promise.
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"We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the evil one.

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding that we might know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ.

This is the true God and eternal life. Little children, guard yourselves from idols." (1 John 5:19-21)

" I have written these things to you that you may KNOW that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)