All sins forgiven

Originally posted by KellyJay
Since all are sinners, you think there are a few among sinners that have not done evil?

What did Jesus say? He said he will judge.

Originally posted by Rajk999
What did Jesus say? He said he will judge.

I think Jesus is quite clear on what we except when He said that those that don't believe in
Him are condemn already. What I asked you is do you think anyone who is a sinner is
someone who doesn't do evil things, can there be a sinner who do not do evil?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I think Jesus is quite clear on what we except when He said that those that don't believe in
Him are condemn already. What I asked you is do you think anyone who is a sinner is
someone who doesn't do evil things, can there be a sinner who do not do evil?

I dont Know. Christ will know.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont Know. Christ will know.

Funny you don't have an issue claiming Christians are sinners. Why can't you say the same
thing about everyone else?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus Christ is the judge and he determines who has done evil and who has done good .. not you.

Jesus Christ is the judge and he determines who has done evil and who has done good .. not you.
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Could you please quote me where I said I, rather than Christ, will judge and determine who has done evil and who has done good ?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Funny you don't have an issue claiming Christians are sinners. Why can't you say the same
thing about everyone else?

DId I not say that Christ will judge ALL people .. ALL ..

Originally posted by sonship
[b] Jesus Christ is the judge and he determines who has done evil and who has done good .. not you.
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Could you please quote me where I said I, rather than Christ, will judge and determine who has done evil and who has done good ?[/b]

You are determining what will happen to people eg claiming that they will still get eternal life. That is for Christ to decide not you.

Originally posted by Rajk999
DId I not say that Christ will judge ALL people .. ALL ..

You are very selective in who you bash as sinners.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are very selective in who you bash as sinners.

You have a superiority complex. You feel that you are better than everyone else... claiming that only Christians will get eternal life. You come across as arrogant and boastful.

Originally posted by Rajk999

You are determining what will happen to people eg claiming that they will still get eternal life. That is for Christ to decide not you.
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I ASKED you to QUOTE me.
Now quote me where I maintained that I, RATHER THAN Jesus Christ , is the Decider and Judge of who receives the gift of eternal life.

God decides and tells us in many places what He decides.

IE.

"And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son.

He who has the Son has the life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

I have written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:11-13)

1.) Provide a quotation of me usurping the authority from Jesus Christ that I, rather than He, judges and determines a man's eternal destiny.

2.) Explain why the passage just quoted First John 5:11-14, is NOT Christ (rather than I) determining and judging WHO has eternal life.

Originally posted by sonship
[b] You are determining what will happen to people eg claiming that they will still get eternal life. That is for Christ to decide not you.
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I ASKED you to QUOTE me.
Now quote me where I maintained that I, RATHER THAN Jesus Christ [/ ...[text shortened]... , is NOT Christ (rather than I) determining and judging WHO has eternal life.[/b]

Christ has not returned to judge people and yet you claim to have eternal life, and worse that you cannot lose it and even worse than that is that God is powerless to revoke it. Revelation says that Christ CAN AND WILL BLOT OUT THE NAMES OF EVIL CHRISTIANS FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE.

Clearly you are usurping the authority of Christ which Im sure you will pay dearly for.

Originally posted by Rajk999

Jesus loves you. Let me preface my comments by saying this first.
Jesus does love you.

Now let's look at your comment.

Christ has not returned to judge people and yet you claim to have eternal life,

The Apostle John tells us WHY he is writing something to us. I believe that he writes under the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Can you please tell me WHY he says he is writing to us believers when he says this - ?

" I have written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God. " (1 John 5:13)

1.) WHY is John writing to us who believe into the name of the Son of God ? ?

2.) Should I as a Christian heed the Apostle, listen to the Apostle, or should I dismiss his statement as erroneous or unreliable ?

Let's look at the passage one more time, bear with some emphasis -

" I have written these things to you ... THAT YOU MAY KNOW ... that you have ETERNAL LIFE, TO YOU... WHO BELIEVE INTO THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD."

Excuse the raising of my voice.
Now WHY ... did John write these things to the disciples of Jesus ???

Did he write these things "that you may not be Soooo arrogant to ASSUME ... PRESUMPTUOUSLY ... that you have eternal life."

Is John ENCOURAGING us to know that we have eternal life if we believe into the name of the Son of God ?

Or is John DISCOURAGING us to know that we have eternal life if we believe into the name of the Son of God ?

and worse that you cannot lose it and even worse than that is that God is powerless to revoke it. Revelation says that Christ CAN AND WILL BLOT OUT THE NAMES OF EVIL CHRISTIANS FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE.

Now here is a matter of interpreting the best way an unusual passage. Does Revelation 3:5 teach us that once given eternal life God will take it back forever from us.

I have given you reasons why I think the best interpretation of the passage is that the discipline described must be temporary. not lasting more than 1,000 years.

I have included this warning within the SCOPE of possibilities of those who "suffer loss" and lose a reward of a certain portion of enjoyment of His salvation during the very next age. I have included this warning as an experience of those who are "saved yet so as through fire" (1 Cor. 3:14,15) .

If you don't want to trust that kind of interpretation, that is your right. I will take this interpretation. I don't want to have to repeat all the time to the same person.

I showed you how the tribe of Dan of the twelve tribes was DROPPED from the list of the tribes ordained to be eternally blessed by God. But the omission was temporary. It is seen included IN the list again in the final version.

Bear with a portion of ministry on this from Brother Watchman Nee in his book The Gospel of God -

(2) "I shall by no means erase his name out of the book of life." The book of life is an ancient book, for the names of many people since the foundation of the world are recorded in the book of life of the Lamb (13:8). Exodus 32:32-33 says: "Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin—; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Psalm 69:28 also says: "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous." From these, we can see that it is possible for one's name to be erased from the book of life. Before we go on, let us remember three things: first, in the book of Revelation, there is only one book of life. According to 13:8, this book of life is in the hand of God and in His plan; no one can put his name in it. Second, if a name is to be blotted out, that name must first be recorded there. Since this book of life is "the book of life of the Lamb," no one can write his name there except the Lamb Himself. Third, since the name of this book is called "the book of life," all those whose names are there must have life. For now we will not worry if their names will be blotted out later. Suffice it to say that every name that can go into the book of life must have at least once received life.

(Collected Works of Watchman Nee, The (Set 1) Vol. 05: The Christian (3), Chapter 2, Section 16)

The Lord Jesus will deal with some Christians in a disciplinary way AFTER resurrection from physical death.

THE CLEANSING IN THE COMING AGE

Is this cleansing discipline from God restricted to this age only, or is it found also in the coming age? From the Bible we know that death never changes anyone. Nowhere in the Bible are we shown a case of a man changed by death. We know that in the future we will be with God forever. In eternity we will be the same as the Lord; we will be holy, even as the Lord is holy. But can we say that today we are as holy as the Lord is? Can we say that we are worthy to be with the Lord for eternity? The blood of the Lord Jesus has cleansed us and that the record of our sins has been wiped away. This is a fact. But subjectively speaking, do we have Christ living in us experientially? Have we allowed the resurrected Christ to live out from us? Our walk today is far too different from what our walk must be in eternity; the two are too far apart. Today we come far short of the Lord's holiness, righteousness, and glory. Many Christians today are still full of sins and filth.

So then, we have a problem. If things are so bad today but will be so good in the future, if things are so imperfect today but will be so perfect in the future, when will the change take place? Somewhere along the way there must be a change. If you are not perfect today, but will be perfect in that day, when will such a change take place? In eternity, when we are with God and the Lamb in the New Jerusalem, we will be in the light as God is in the light. But when will we become such ones? The human concept is that when we die we will change. But the Bible never tells us that physical death will make a person holy. This was a doctrine that was preached five or six hundred years ago. But the Bible never says that death can change a person. If death could change a Christian, then death could also change an unsaved person. But death never changes anyone. The slothful servant is still slothful when he is resurrected. The foolish virgins are still foolish when they wake up. When they wake up, their slothfulness and foolishness have not gone away. If a man is not changed in this age but will be different in the new heaven and new earth, and if death does not cause a person to change, then when does the change occur? The Bible shows us clearly that in the coming age there will be discipline, and this discipline will prune and cleanse us.

From the Collected Works of Watchman Nee

Some more fellowship from Nee's ministry.

SOME SERVANTS OF GOD
TO BE JUDGED IN THE COMING AGE

We need to look at a few verses concerning this future discipline. Luke 12:45-48 says, "But if that slave says in his heart, My master is delaying his coming, and begins to beat the male servants and the female servants and to eat and to drink and become drunk, the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will cut him asunder, and will appoint his portion with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master's will and did not prepare or do according to his will, will receive many lashes; but he who did not know, yet did things worthy of stripes, will receive few lashes. But to every one to whom much has been given, much will be required from him; and to whom much has been committed, they will ask of him all the more."

The first thing in these verses that we have to decide is whether or not the slave belongs to the Lord. Is he a Christian? Is he saved? Surely the slave is a saved one. How can I say this? First, in the New Testament God never considers those who do not belong to Him as His slaves. In going from the Old Testament to the New Testament age, first, man is a slave and then becomes a son. Thus, in the Old Testament there are many unsaved slaves. But in the New Testament the order is reversed. If a man is not God's son, he is not qualified to be God's slave. All slaves of God are sons in the New Testament. Therefore, the slave spoken of here is surely a saved one.

There is a second proof that the slave in Luke 12:45-48 is saved. The proof is in the previous verses. Verses 42-44 say, "And the Lord said, Who then is the faithful and prudent steward, whom the master will set over his service to give them their portion of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Truly I tell you that he will set him over all his possessions." Is the slave in these verses the same one as the slave in verses 45 and 46? Or are there two slaves? There is only one slave. The slave in verses 43 and 44 is the one in verse 45. The same person can be a good slave as well as a bad slave. This slave can have two different minds. If he is faithful to the charge of the master of the house and would give to the household their portion of food at the proper time, the master will reward him well and will set him over all his possessions. But if the slave says in his heart, "The master is delaying his coming; I can act any way I want," and he begins to beat the male servants and the female servants, the master will come and judge his sins. This proves that a saved person can both be a good slave and a bad slave.

If a saved person has unfortunately become an evil slave, what will his end be? Verse 46 says, "The master of that slave ...

Cont.

"The master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will cut him asunder, and will appoint his portion with the unbelievers." Does this chastisement occur in this age or in the age to come? What does the day and hour which he does not know refer to? They must refer to the time when the Lord will come back. This is something in the future. The Lord says that a slave can be faithful or unfaithful and that an unfaithful slave will not only miss the reward, but will also be condemned and receive a definite punishment. Verses 47 and 48 are based on the words of verse 46. They tell us of the future of those who belong to the Lord and who work for the Lord. "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not prepare or do according to his will, will receive many lashes; but he who did not know, yet did things worthy of stripes, will receive few lashes. But to every one to whom much has been given, much will be required from him; and to whom much has been committed, they will ask of him all the more." These verses do not say that those who do not know will not receive any lashes; they only say that they will receive few lashes. There will still be the lashes. God does not let those who do not know get by, because His word is here. Those who know have to be responsible before God; those who do not know and who have done things worthy of lashes will still receive lashes, yet they will receive few lashes. Everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required from him; and to whom much has been committed, they will ask of him all the more. This is the principle of God's future chastisement. Luke 12:47-48 settles for us the question of future chastisement of Christians before God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You have a superiority complex. You feel that you are better than everyone else... claiming that only Christians will get eternal life. You come across as arrogant and boastful.

Nope, don't feel better than anyone else.
Should I go back and gather up your quotes to prove my point?
With respect to arrogant and boastful, please feel free to use my text to show me my errors.