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Originally posted by scherzo
[b]Not having read the Quran, tell me if I am wrong in thinking that the Quran says it is right, and maybe even obligatory, to kill the infidel?

You are wrong. The Qur'an condemns all physical violence in God's name.

Is this a common misconception?

Yes, mostly made by non-Muslims and people who pretend to be Muslims.[/b]

Nice! but i for one would love a short elaboration
(have you read any of the Quran?)

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Nice! but i for one would love a short elaboration
(have you read any of the Quran?)

I have read the entire Qur'an.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/elmasry31.html

"Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom." (6:151)

"Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped." (17:33).

Originally posted by scherzo
So it is, then. You have no middle ground.

There is a middle ground, you just haven't found it yet.

Originally posted by generalissimo
There is a middle ground, you just haven't found it yet.

Then show it to me. Do you see any distinction between losing an argument and conceding a point of view?

Originally posted by scherzo
Then show it to me. Do you see any distinction between losing an argument and conceding a point of view?

you replied to me so distinclty!


so... Do you not think Allah would want you to be able to lose an arguement And concede a point of view?
Are you not a man of no divisions?

Originally posted by scherzo
Then show it to me. Do you see any distinction between losing an argument and conceding a point of view?

I do.

I think you were beaten, so in order to keep your pride and honor you're saying you changed your mind.

That's Ok scherzo, there is nothing to be ashamed about, we're all big boys and girls here.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
you replied to me so distinclty!


so... Do you not think Allah would want you to be able to lose an arguement And concede a point of view?
Are you not a man of no divisions?

you replied to me so distinclty!

...I thought he was replying to my post.

Originally posted by generalissimo
I do.

I think you were beaten, so in order to keep your pride and honor you're saying you changed your mind.

That's Ok scherzo, there is nothing to be ashamed about, we're all big boys and girls here.

Certain battles are won by retreating.

Originally posted by scherzo
Certain battles are won by retreating.

Thats what a frenchman would say.

Originally posted by generalissimo
Thats what a frenchman would say.

Wrong! It's what an Italian would say!

Doesn't matter. I am not Italian and I am certainly not French.

Originally posted by scherzo
Wrong! It's what an Italian would say!

Doesn't matter. I am not Italian and I am certainly not French.

do you carry a surrender flag with you?

Originally posted by scherzo
"Do not take life.....except through justice and the law. " (6:151)

"Do not take life ..... except for a just cause. " (17:33).

It seems to me that both these quotations open the way for the problems we see - the Holy Wars, which are "justified" by the word "except".

So the only difference between those that "bear the West no ill will" and those that do, lies in that one word, "except", which basically is a point of view and matter of opinion.

Originally posted by CalJust
It seems to me that both these quotations open the way for the problems we see - the Holy Wars, which are "justified" by the word "except".

So the only difference between those that "bear the West no ill will" and those that do, lies in that one word, "except", which basically is a point of view and matter of opinion.

Er, no. It's the word of God.

Originally posted by generalissimo
do you carry a surrender flag with you?

I carry a red flag with me.

Originally posted by scherzo
I carry a red flag with me.

Does it say "I surrender" on it?