"an ancient dilemma..."

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
... as do I. "

" "... what prevents the other two logical possibilities that I presented: - A temporary relationship" [God and His work reflect flawless perfection. He created human beings with the self awareness, personality and self determination; characteristics He possess. Anyone promoting the notion of Disposable Souls fails to grasp the Immensity of His Omniscience; Omnipotence; Sovereignty; Justice; Veracity; and Immutability Attributes.] - "Multiple temporary relationships" [In context, redundant.]"

Originally posted by googlefudge

However the fact that people (by no means just me) keep asking you for clarification would suggest that you are not succeeding.

I will not presume to say try harder as I have no idea how hard you are presently trying.

But might I suggest "try differently".

Whatever it is you are currently doing doesn't seem to be working.

A different ap ...[text shortened]... " [In context, redundant.]" [/quote]

As I still don't know what you were trying to say.

"... what prevents the other two logical possibilities that I presented:

- A temporary relationship" (gf)

1) God & His work are the epitome of flawless perfection. 2) He created human beings with self awareness, unique personality, volition and self determination. 3) He Himself possesses these selfsame characteristics. 4) The frivolous notion of Disposable Souls is preposterous: it fails to grasp the Awesome Grandeur of His Person. 5) Perfection doesn't make errors in either planning or execution. 6) By definition, Perfection doesn't require mock ups, subsequent improvement or upgrades. 7) His Unique Eternal Attributes include Omniscience; Omnipotence; Sovereignty; Justice; Veracity; and Immutability. (gb)

- "Multiple temporary relationships" (gf) Please see reply above. Hope this helps. (gb)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"However the fact that people (by no means just me) keep asking you for clarification would suggest that you are not succeeding." (gf) | ... lack of frame of reference with any topic or realm nullifies understanding until it's acquired. (gb)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"... what prevents the other two logical possibilities that I presented:

- A temporary relationship" (gf)

1) God & His work are the epitome of flawless perfection. 2) He created human beings with self awareness, unique personality, volition and self determination. 3) He Himself possesses these selfsame characteristics. 4) The frivolous noti ...[text shortened]... ultiple temporary relationships" (gf) Please see reply above. Hope this helps. (gb)

Originally posted by googlefudge
I will do a longer response tomorrow... But I wanted to remind you that it was Penguin not me who asked the question.

I also am interested in the answer, but you should be quoting and addressing Penguin and not me.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Your Double Teaming was effective. I'm pleased you both decided the topic was worthy of sustained conversation. Thanks.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"... what prevents the other two logical possibilities that I presented:

- A temporary relationship" (gf)

1) God & His work are the epitome of flawless perfection. 2) He created human beings with self awareness, unique personality, volition and self determination. 3) He Himself possesses these selfsame characteristics. 4) The frivolous noti ...[text shortened]... ultiple temporary relationships" (gf) Please see reply above. Hope this helps. (gb)

Originally posted by twhitehead
Odd then that you apparently don't think its worth yourself actually partaking in the conversation. As always, you start a conversation, then do your best not to converse.
Many of us find the topics you raise interesting, then you confound us with your deliberate obstructionism. I guess you could be just a troll getting some sort of amusement out of all this.

Originally posted by Penguin
1) I don't see how the degree of perfection of either party in the relationship makes any difference to the logical possibilities for the duration and number of the relationships.

2) and 3) People with unique personalities do not tend to get on perfectly, even during our short time on Earth. We need our own space. And how unique each party is also places ...[text shortened]... t proposing disposable souls

5) Irrelevant

6) Irrelevant

7) Irrelevant

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Eternity Past) [o-------------- o, o, o, o, o, o etc. = Many Horizontal Relationships in Time]

Eternity Past) [o--------------------------------o|o = One Vertical Relationship in Time and (Eternity Future......

Originally posted by Penguin
Are you agreeing with me here or just defining these other two possibilities? I am finding hard to see an unambiguous message in your schematic. What is the difference between a horizontal relationship in time and a vertical one?

For clarity, I am suggesting this, where 'O' means 'in a relationship with' and '-' mean separated from.

Single temporary r ined why is it reasonable to expect these two options to not be possible.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Odd then that you apparently don't think its worth yourself actually partaking in the conversation. As always, you start a conversation, then do your best not to converse.
Many of us find the topics you raise interesting, then you confound us with your deliberate obstructionism. I guess you could be just a troll getting some sort of amusement out of all this.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
The only issue is the eternal destiny of your soul.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"an ancient dilemma..."

Let's say there's an ancient dilemma facing us all in present time. If there is an alive and powerful, eternal entity who/which has offered each of us the unearned and undeserved gift of permanent relationship which we individually reject [and repeatedly reject], isn't it reasonable to expect eternal separation as the only viable alternative? Your comments. (gb)[/b]