19 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999If you don’t think forgiveness of sins is the most important part of the Bible, you’re further from the Truth than I thought.
The most important part of the bible is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God
Jesus Christ is eternal life
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the light.
Jesus Christ's teachings is the road to salvation
Show me one part of the teachings of Jesus Christ where he says
... the cross or resurrection is the most important parts...
Sad!
19 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Matt? LOL!
Yes, Matt does reference it. There is the one I think I mentioned to you sometime ago about Jesus preaching to the dead from Noahs time, a clear eg of purgatory.
But lets see what he says ..
I love how you think you’re on a familiar basis with the Apostles.
What did Tommy, Johnny, Pete and Andy have to say?
19 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsontiger is ashamed to believe in Jesus and His Resurrection. He thinks it makes him look like a country bumpkin that just fell off the turnip truck.
Of course I do. Don't you?
19 May 18
Originally posted by @romans1009There is none. No such doctrine from Jesus Christ ..
If you don’t think forgiveness of sins is the most important part of the Bible, you’re further from the Truth than I thought.
Sad!
NONE
NOTHING
NADA
ZILCH
ZERO
And you continue to confuffle the doctrine of the church with the doctrine of Christ.
19 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”
The most important part of the bible is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Kingdom of God
Jesus Christ is eternal life
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the light.
Jesus Christ's teachings is the road to salvation
Show me one part of the teachings of Jesus Christ where he says
... the cross or resurrection is the most important parts...
(1 Corinthians 1:18)
19 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Do you think forgiveness of sins is the most important part of the New Testament?
There is none. No such doctrine from Jesus Christ ..
NONE
NOTHING
NADA
ZILCH
ZERO
And you continue to confuffle the doctrine of the church with the doctrine of Christ.
Did Jesus Christ not teach of the importance of forgiveness of sins?
Originally posted by @rajk999Still don't know what atonement means? Or redemption?
There is none. No such doctrine from Jesus Christ ..
NONE
NOTHING
NADA
ZILCH
ZERO
And you continue to confuffle the doctrine of the church with the doctrine of Christ.
Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,..
Colossians 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Just how doctrinally ignorant are you?
Originally posted by @romans1009You said : No cross, no Resurrection. You miss the most important parts."
Do you think forgiveness of sins is the most important part of the New Testament?
Did Jesus Christ not teach of the importance of forgiveness of sins?
I asked where did Jesus preach that. Apparently He did not because so far you cannot provide a reference
Now you want to change what you said.
It is this kinds of dishonest behaviour that demonstrates how shameless you Christians are.
Originally posted by @rajk999Each time I read one of your post I think, 'is this guy that biblically ignorant?'
You said : No cross, no Resurrection. You miss the most important parts."
I asked where did Jesus preach that. Apparently He did not because so far you cannot provide a reference
Now you want to change what you said.
It is this kinds of dishonest behaviour that demonstrates how shameless you Christians are.
Jesus didn't talk about the resurrection? Jesus didn't talk about His cross?
Have you not read Luke 22:19,20?
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
¶ Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Originally posted by @rajk999Not at all. If you had simply answered whether you think forgiveness of sins was the most important part of the New Testament and whether Jesus spoke of the importance of that, I was next going to ask you how sins were forgiven in the New Testament.
You said : No cross, no Resurrection. You miss the most important parts."
I asked where did Jesus preach that. Apparently He did not because so far you cannot provide a reference
Now you want to change what you said.
It is this kinds of dishonest behaviour that demonstrates how shameless you Christians are.
Your problem is unless something is simplified to the point of “See Jane Run,” you don’t understand it. Another problem you have is cherry picking. You’re quick to cite Paul when he says something you agree with (even though you get the context wrong,) but refuse to believe him when he says what he does in 1 Corinthians 1:18. Then you revert to “Jesus never said that” and “Paul is distorting Jesus’ Gospel.”
And apparently the “Good News” of Jesus’ Gospel to you and ToO is:
“Hey guys, guess what? Jesus just added a bunch of new sins and stuff that makes God angry. Now we can’t even check women out or get angry at someone!
Plus, we no longer get to sacrifice animals to atone for our sins - we have to live a perfect life or it’s into the flames of hell for us.
Spread the good news!”
Originally posted by @romans1009Doesn't do any good to say anything to the troll because he doesn't read the Bible except for the few verses he wrests with to promote his twisted understanding, and he doesn't read posts by those he labels goats.
Not at all. If you had simply answered whether you think forgiveness of sins was the most important part of the New Testament and whether Jesus spoke of the importance of that, I was next going to ask you how sins were forgiven in the New Testament.
Your problem is unless something is simplified to the point of “See Jane Run,” you don’t understand it. ...[text shortened]... we have to live a perfect life or it’s into the flames of hell for us.
Spread the good news!”
Originally posted by @secondsonThe most ignorant people about the bible, are church Christians. This is demonstrated daily on this site.
Each time I read one of your post I think, 'is this guy that biblically ignorant?'
Jesus didn't talk about the resurrection? Jesus didn't talk about His cross?
Have you not read Luke 22:19,20?
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
¶ Like ...[text shortened]... the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Jesus preached at length for years to many thousands and thousands. these were baptized and they followed him and many will enter the Kingdom of God, and NOT ONCE DID HE EVER TELL THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.... NOT ONE SINGLE TIME.
Your reference from Luke is Jesus speaking only to his 12 disciples and it is done in a symbolic manner and is introducing the Holy Supper The disciples even after that had no clue about his death and resurrection.
The ignorant one is you.
19 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999What do you make of 1 Corinthians 1:18? Does that not speak of the importance of the cross?
The most ignorant people about the bible, are church Christians. This is demonstrated daily on this site.
Jesus preached at length for years to many thousands and thousands. these were baptized and they followed him and many will enter the Kingdom of God, and NOT ONCE DID HE EVER TELL THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.... NOT ONE SINGLE TIME ...[text shortened]... ciples even after that had no clue about his death and resurrection.
The ignorant one is you.
Or is Paul mistaken and preaching a different Gospel from your obscene, satanic and Christ-hating version? The version you think says, “Be perfect or it’s straight to hell for you!”
Originally posted by @rajk999"NOT ONCE DID HE EVER TELL THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.... NOT ONE SINGLE TIME."
The most ignorant people about the bible, are church Christians. This is demonstrated daily on this site.
Jesus preached at length for years to many thousands and thousands. these were baptized and they followed him and many will enter the Kingdom of God, and NOT ONCE DID HE EVER TELL THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.... NOT ONE SINGLE TIME ...[text shortened]... ciples even after that had no clue about his death and resurrection.
The ignorant one is you.
Jesus said "Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?"
Do you have the slightest clue about the "cup" Jesus was talking about?
Do you deny that Jesus rose from the dead? Do you deny His resurrection?
Matthew27:62,63
Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Do you understand those verses? Even the Pharisees knew Jesus said He would rise from the dead.
Originally posted by @secondsonUnless the words appear in the exact order rajk wants, he denies their meaning. But he will twist himself into a pretzel and/or claim symbolism to justify his satanic, Christ-hating and Christ-denying doctrines.
[b]"NOT ONCE DID HE EVER TELL THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.... NOT ONE SINGLE TIME."
Jesus said "Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?"
Do you have the slightest clue about the "cup" Jesus was talking about?
Do you deny that Jesus rose from the dead ...[text shortened]...
Do you understand those verses? Even the Pharisees knew Jesus said He would rise from the dead.[/b]