19 Oct 20
@kevcvs57 saidBe careful who you accuse of stealing your pencil, pencils can sometimes spontaneously dematerialize and appear in someone else's pencil case. (I have witnessed this happen) (at least it was always my excuse. )
I didn’t think we were talking about ghosts I though we were talking about ultimate truths regarding the nature of existence.
I would say however that you believe we inhabit a reality in which ghosts do not exist.
I use the word ‘believe’ in the sense that I might say to you. ‘I believe you stole my pencil’ even though I never saw you steal my pencil but we were the only ...[text shortened]... eist on this subject.
Like many of the words used in the English language the context is important.
P.S. Did you know that all pencils come from Pencilvania?
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@indonesia-phil saidThat remains 2B evidenced...
P.S. Did you know that all pencils come from Pencilvania?
@kevcvs57 saidBut you seemed adamant when you said you “struggle to accept any kind of model for the universe that isn’t positively substantiated by empirical evidence.”
I cannot have a belief about it either way in general.
Sorry for the list but I asked about those two scenarios specifically because each hold an expectation that there is in fact more to the universe and our experience of it than just what empirical evidence tells us there is.
The first “spirituality” is defended quite vehemently by those in here who deny supernatural but hold to the beyond natural (for want of a better word. And the second “space aliens” is generally held to be a “probably but we will never know”.
Each of these scenarios offer no empirical evidence.
19 Oct 20
@divegeester saidThis is becoming a long drawn out discussion.
Your language is rather graphite...
20 Oct 20
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@indonesia-phil saidThat was out of line and off the mark.
This is becoming a long drawn out discussion.
20 Oct 20
@divegeester said“ But you seemed adamant when you said you “struggle to accept any kind of model for the universe that isn’t positively substantiated by empirical evidence.”
But you seemed adamant when you said you “struggle to accept any kind of model for the universe that isn’t positively substantiated by empirical evidence.”
Sorry for the list but I asked about those two scenarios specifically because each hold an expectation that there is in fact more to the universe and our experience of it than just what empirical evidence tells us t ...[text shortened]... to be a “probably but we will never know”.
Each of these scenarios offer no empirical evidence.
Yes that’s why, whilst not having an active belief in an entity because of a lack of empirical evidence for its existence. There is also no empirical evidence for the non existence of an entity. There may be an inconsistency in my thinking on this but I would need it to be explained to me.
“ Sorry for the list but I asked about those two scenarios specifically because each hold an expectation that there is in fact more to the universe and our experience of it than just what empirical evidence tells us there is. ”
Well I’m assuming that we are a long way from gathering all the empirical evidence that is available. Our experience of the universe is probably still quite limited. It seems to me the more we learn the more supernatural the universe gets but my analogy for that would be someone looking at a picture through one half closed eye.
‘Quantum Entanglement’ has been substantiated with empirical evidence but it looks pretty supernatural to me.
I think supernatural and beyond natural could be replaced with ‘we haven’t figured it out yet’ or not.
Do you think we are being visited by ‘space aliens’? To my mind they are either science fiction or science but ‘we haven’t figured it out yet’.
20 Oct 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot to mention protractor’ed
Apologies for starting the puns sir. The thread topic has become rather stationery.