Barriers to belief

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Either the Bible is God's revelation, (which means my belief is true and your belief is false) or the Bible is not God's revelation, (which means my belief is false and your belief is true). So my question is basically how do you know that your belief (The Bible is not God's revelation) is true?

Either x or not-x.

But a person who does not believe x, does not necessarily believe not-x. He can simply fail to believe x. FMF may go further and believe not-x, and it is reasonable to ask why.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
[b]The dog is in the room, the dog is not in the room.
Where is the contradiction?

Dude, them are ghost dogs.

Dialetheism was intended to discombobulate Fetchmyjunk. You seem to have thrown yourself, dogs and all, into the discombobulation.[/b]

I don't feel discombobulated. You think I am. Is that a contradiction? Can both be true?

As for Fetchmyjunk he discombobulates himself without any help.

Originally posted by twhitehead

As for Fetchmyjunk he discombobulates himself without any help.

Amen brother.


(Please don't use the word discombobulate without my permission).

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
By 'ripcord' you must mean a question you cannot answer. Since every question you have failed to answer you have labelled a 'ripcord'.

You can look at it this way if you want to, by all means, and if it makes you feel better about the way you conduct yourself here, then go for it. But I use the term 'ripcord question' for your questions that have already been answered (and not just by me) over and over again - answers that you appear to ignore or forget or not to want to take on board or you don't want to allow them to advance the conversation in a way that you are not interested in or that are inconvenient to the string of predetermined unchanging things that you are intent on saying.for the umpteenth time regardless of the reaction or response they get.

Originally posted by JS357
Either x or not-x.

But a person who does not believe x, does not necessarily believe not-x. He can simply fail to believe x. FMF may go further and believe not-x, and it is reasonable to ask why.

I don't believe not-x. Instead, I don't believe x because no one who believes x has given me sufficient reason to also believe x like they do.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Either the Bible is God's revelation, (which means my belief is true and your belief is false) or the Bible is not God's revelation, (which means my belief is false and your belief is true). So my question is basically how do you know that your belief (The Bible is not God's revelation) is true?

This is not an answer to the question "What does this** have to do with "barriers to belief"?"

[** Your question was "Do you believe two contradictory statements can both be true?"]

Instead, what you have done here is repeat the same burden of proof-shifting question yet again - for the umpteenth time - as if you are pulling a little string thing which causes a parachute to unfurl so that you can cop out of the dialogue and just tee up the string of repeated statements/questions you like to make which all amount to you labelling your beliefs "true".

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So my question is basically how do you know that your belief (The Bible is not God's revelation) is true?

My default setting is that I don't feel any obligation or reason to believe the theories and notions that people come up with about mystical and supernatural stuff until they convince me that what they are claiming is true. This is why I am not a Muslim, for instance. It's also the reason why I am not a Hindu.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't believe not-x. Instead, I don't believe x because no one who believes x has given me sufficient reason to also believe x like they do.

My experience on this forum and others leads me to conclude that people such as FMJ do not understand or accept the position "I don't believe God exists, but I don't believe God does not exist." This seems like a contradiction to them, but the point is, "I don't have a belief either way."

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Something is not true because I find it credible, I find it credible because I believe it to be true. FMF for some or other reason won't tell me what he views to be the truth, even though he should believe that his views are true else he would not have found them to be credible.

You seem to to me to be be sifting sand through a sieve hoping to find nuggets I.e. There is nothing of substance to what you are saying.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
FMF for some or other reason won't tell me what he views to be the truth, even though he should believe that his views are true else he would not have found them to be credible.

I have been telling you what I personally believe to be true for months and months. You just keep ignoring what I am saying.

Originally posted by FMF
I have been telling you what I personally believe to be true for months and months. You just keep ignoring what I am saying.

So...you only believe what you want to believe based on your own universal credible truths?

Originally posted by JS357
Either x or not-x.

But a person who does not believe x, does not necessarily believe not-x. He can simply fail to believe x. FMF may go further and believe not-x, and it is reasonable to ask why.

FMF believes that the Bible is not God's revelation. It is reasonable for me to ask why.

Originally posted by JS357
I wonder if any of the Christians posting here has had "specific, elaborate communication with divine beings comprising instructions, rules, promises of ..." as you mention. I don't know of any such reports on this forum. Maybe people are quiet about it because nowadays their sanity would be questioned, or they themselves may think it a hallucination.

At any rate, as David Hume suggested, should we trust the lesser miracle?

Rape is under-reported also.

There is a reason for this.

"I don't know of any such reports on this forum."

There have been reports of this in this forum. That you deny they are made simply because you do not believe them is one such reason they are under-reported.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
FMF believes that the Bible is not God's revelation. It is reasonable for me to ask why.

Is it that he believes the Bible is not God's revelation, or is it that he does not believe the Bible is God's revelation? The first says that he has a belief about the matter; the second doesn't. In the first case you could ask why he has that first belief, in the second case you could ask why he lacks that second belief.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
FMF believes that the Bible is not God's revelation. It is reasonable for me to ask why.

I think it's reasonable for me to ask you to justify why I should believe the same things as you believe. If you gave me convincing reasons to believe - for example - that I am immortal (will live on after death, for ever) because the Romans executed a Jewish rabbi 2,000 years ago - then I'd be a Christian. But I'm not. Like I said, I'm not a Muslim or a Hindu either. None of these religions - including yours - offers anything that is credible to me regarding the supernatural domain and divine beings etc. You've asked me why I don't subscribe to your religion, and I've told you time and time again. But you just ignore my answers.