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Originally posted by @romans1009People? You mean you?
If people think you’re duchess64, it’s because you encourage that thought.[/b]
While Duchess and FMF are millions of light years apart, Becker and yourself are two peas in the same misshapen pod.
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Originally posted by @dj2becker" If I had been an atheist and did not believe in Divine law I think I would have been more likely to lie about it...."
Well it certainly did prevent me from lying about it once I realized it was a mistake. If I had been an atheist and did not believe in Divine law I think I would have been more likely to lie about it because there would have been no way for anyone to prove that I was lying and my lie would not have harmed anyone. Besides, assuming I'm an atheist why would it always be wrong to lie about switching accounts if there are no moral absolutes?
This, in a nutshell, is your error that infects most of your posts on this issue. You genuinely think (incorrectly) that a person can not live a life of integrity and honesty without God. - A 'good person' is true to themselves, not because they fear divine punishment or that their lies will be exposed. 'Integrity' is a man's own moral compass.
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Originally posted by @romans1009I usually ignore your slurs about my morality, but just so we're clear, I consider myself a highly moral person and am known generally for my integrity, at home in my working life. Your slurs are completely meaningless and do not change this fact in any way whatsoever.
The guy’s morally bankrupt.
Who are you exactly to judge someone as morally bankrupt? I mean, seriously? - Whereas my morality is strong 'without' a moral lawgiver, yours apparently wouldn't exist without one. Whereas my morality is homegrown and self-driven, yours is so weak that it is entirely dependent on an outside agency.
My morality bank is filled with genuine currency, while yours is Just an IOU from a non-existent deity. - If it was proven tomorrow that God did not exist, I would remain a person of integrity and good morals, while you would feel at liberty to go out and rob a bank.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWhen have I questioned your morality in the past?
I usually ignore your slurs about my morality, but just so we're clear, I consider myself a highly moral person and am known generally for my integrity, at home in my working life. Your slurs are completely meaningless and do not change this fact in any way whatsoever.
Who are you exactly to judge someone as morally bankrupt? I mean, seriously? ...[text shortened]... a person of integrity and good morals, while you would feel at liberty to go out and rob a bank.
You’re known for your integrity at home and at work? Obviously your family and co-workers don’t know about your double life as an obnoxious Internet troll, the one where the mask falls and the true you appears.
Your behavior is “moral” to the point your family and co-workers exercise control over it and pull on your choke collar. Once the choke collar’s off, you behave as you truly are, and it’s quite repulsive.
Good day, sir!
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Originally posted by @romans1009Yes, I am having a good day, fuelled by my impeccable morality, that unlike your own is genuine and not a means to an end.
When have I questioned your morality in the past?
You’re known for your integrity at home and at work? Obviously your family and co-workers don’t know about your double life as an obnoxious Internet troll, the one where the mask falls and the true you appears.
Your behavior is “moral” to the point your family and co-workers exercise control over it ...[text shortened]... the choke collar’s off, you behave as you truly are, and it’s quite repulsive.
Good day, sir!
Like I said, my morality would survive the confirmation that God did not exist, while yours would evaporate like a muddy puddle.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYour morality is dependent upon the choke collar placed upon you by your family and co-workers.
Yes, I am having a good day, fuelled by my impeccable morality, that unlike your own is genuine and not a means to an end.
Like I said, my morality would survive the confirmation that God did not exist, while yours would evaporate like a muddy puddle.
Once you retreat into anonymity on the Internet and the choke collar is gone, the true you emerges, and it’s not a pretty sight.
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Originally posted by @romans1009You have a chaotic relationship with reality.
Your morality is dependent upon the choke collar placed upon you by your family and co-workers.
Once you retreat into anonymity on the Internet and the choke collar is gone, the true you emerges, and it’s not a pretty sight.
The truly sad thing is that a 'moral atheist' is the thing you really should be trying to emulate, not ridicule, to have a morality independent from the divine. If God exists, I think He wants that for you. He wants you to be good of your own accord not because you are told to be good or fearful of being punished if you are bad.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThat’s not why Christians are good. Christians are good and righteous (in right standing with God) because God’s Holy Spirit indwelt them when they believed in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection and accepted Him into their hearts.
You have a chaotic relationship with reality.
The truly sad thing is that a 'moral atheist' is the thing you really should be trying to emulate, not ridicule, to have a morality independent from the divine. If God exists, I think He wants that for you. He wants you to be good of your own accord not because you are told to be good or fearful of being punished if you are bad.
They didn’t teach you that in your theology classes? It’s in the Bible and is a major doctrine of the Christian faith.
Originally posted by @romans1009Are these last few posts directed at Ghost, after having described him as morally bankrupt, influenced by what you claim is "God’s Holy Spirit indwelt" in you [because believe in Jesus Christ] or are the words you are posting influenced by what you refer to as your "carnal mind" and your liking for what you described as "sinful payback"?
That’s not why Christians are good. Christians are good and righteous (in right standing with God) because God’s Holy Spirit indwelt them when they believed in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection and accepted Him into their hearts.
Originally posted by @freakykbhThe exchange could scarcely be more on-topic and the fact that none of it can be proved is obviously neither here nor there.
Boys!
Boys!
Get a grip.
None of this can be proved, so let's enjoy our time together: helping, not hurting.
21 Apr 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Nonsense. Not all Christians are good and righteous.
That’s not why Christians are good. Christians are good and righteous (in right standing with God) because God’s Holy Spirit indwelt them when they believed in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection and accepted Him into their hearts.
They didn’t teach you that in your theology classes? It’s in the Bible and is a major doctrine of the Christian faith.
If they were Paul would not have to warn then to stay away from sin,
to live righteously and do good works.
If they fail they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
The Holy Spirit is just a guide .. nothing more.
21 Apr 18
Originally posted by @fmfAgreed!
The exchange could scarcely be more on-topic and the fact that none of it can be proved is obviously neither here nor there.
It's a great topic.
But what justice do we give it, willing to banish each other to hell in the process?
When we don't like the imagined end result, it's just as likely we imagined a wrong turn in the process as anything else.
Assuming someone isn't trying/succeeding as hard as you are in the game isn't profitable for anyone.
Believing many things but sure of far, far less, I do know you're an intelligent person, and I'd be a fool to not consider your thoughts.
But I can't consider what I won't listen to, so that is my responsibility in the exchange.
When we allow the topic to dictate our grace toward each other?
Ouch.
That's not good at all.
21 Apr 18
Originally posted by @freakykbhYou're being silly.
Agreed!
It's a great topic.
But what justice do we give it, willing to banish each other to hell in the process?
When we don't like the imagined end result, it's just as likely we imagined a wrong turn in the process as anything else.
Assuming someone isn't trying/succeeding as hard as you are in the game isn't profitable for anyone.
Believing ma ...[text shortened]...
When we allow the topic to dictate our grace toward each other?
Ouch.
That's not good at all.
21 Apr 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHow do you get this? Do you really think this? Does this include all theists?
My morality bank is filled with genuine currency, while yours is Just an IOU from a non-existent deity.