Believers, Non-Believers & Morality

Originally posted by @fmf
In terms of the conversations there have been between you and me, and in terms of the gimmicks and rhetorical tricks you use when you discuss things with me, yes, I do. Undoubtedly. Aside from robbie carrobie, and in so far as you have interacted with me, I cannot recall a more dishonest poster in the 10+ years I have been here.

Apart from using 2 accounts, and not simultaneously at that, what are you absolutely sure I have been dishonest about?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You are absolutely right. If you were in my shoes would it have been ok for you to lie since you don't believe in God and would therefore not have been seeing yourself as violating divine law?

No. 'Lying' is something that goes against my own morality. It is true, that I am not governed by divine law (as I don't believe in the divine) but I am governed by my own conscience and sense of what is right and wrong. (And to save you asking, this morality is a consequence of my upbringing and the person I have become).

Can you confirm you understand that?

Theists don't have a monopoly on valuing honesty.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Apart from using 2 accounts, and not simultaneously at that, what are you absolutely sure I have been dishonest about?

...what are you absolutely sure I have been dishonest about?

I have explained to you exactly what I believe is dishonest about the way you have conversed with me on at least three previous occasions. I stand by those explanations and feel no need to repeat myself. Did you not read those posts?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
No. 'Lying' is something that goes against my own morality. It is true, that I am not governed by divine law (as I don't believe in the divine) but I am governed by my own conscience and sense of what is right and wrong. (And to save you asking, this morality is a consequence of my upbringing and the person I have become).

Can you confirm you understand that?

Theists don't have a monopoly on valuing honesty.

If God doesn't exist and there is no absolute standard for right and wrong, surely it's ok to lie when it suits you and if you can get away with it and you aren't causing any harm to anyone?

Originally posted by @fmf
[b]...what are you absolutely sure I have been dishonest about?

I have explained to you exactly what I believe is dishonest about the way you have conversed with me on at least three previous occasions. I stand by those explanations and feel no need to repeat myself. Did you not read those posts?[/b]

I have yet to see any real evidence of your claims. If you feel that it's ok to slander me without producing any evidence to back up your claims that's fine by me.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Apart from using 2 accounts, and not simultaneously at that, what are you absolutely sure I have been dishonest about?

Apart from using 2 accounts, and not simultaneously at that, what are you absolutely sure I have been dishonest about?

I am not especially concerned about you having those two accounts, although I am keen to know what moral lesson you taught everyone with it and what moral lesson everyone can glean from the way you have talked about that incident on this thread.

What was interesting, though, was how you used the revived dj2becker account immediately to resume trolling me - dishonestly, as if you were someone else - with the exact same questions that the "Fetchmyjunk" screen name had been asking me over and over and over and over again, despite me having already answered them, and despite the conversations between me and the "Fetchmyjunk" screen name having ground to a halt for that reason.

That conversational-dishonesty was what was striking about you (and which resulted in you being exposed). Breaking the TOS of the site I don't much care about.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If God doesn't exist and there is no absolute standard for right and wrong, surely it's ok to lie when it suits you and if you can get away with it and you aren't causing any harm to anyone?

No. I genuinely find it sad that you would think that.

Again, theists don't have a monopoly on valuing honesty.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I have yet to see any real evidence of your claims.

So what?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If you feel that it's ok to slander me without producing any evidence to back up your claims that's fine by me.

You are who are. And I have been honest with you.

One of the reasons you ditched the "Fetchmyjunk" name appeared to be the fact that scarcely anyone was talking to you anymore on account of your behaviour.

Those people, for instance, will not require "evidence". As for those people here who admire you, that's a matter for them.

Originally posted by @fmf
You are who are. And I have been honest with you.

One of the reasons you ditched the "Fetchmyjunk" name appeared to be the fact that scarcely anyone was talking to you anymore on account of your behaviour.

Those people, for instance, will not require "evidence". As for those people here who admire you, that's a matter for them.

Who stopped talking to me?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Who stopped talking to me?

I gave you a list. There were 13-14 names on it. Then I added a few names to it after I delved a bit further back and there were 18 names on it in the end, covering the period April 2016 to the 'present day' (which was in January this year, if I recall correctly). Refer to that list. I am not going to post it again.

Originally posted by @fmf
I gave you a list. There were 13-14 names on it. Then I added a few names to it after I delved a bit further back and there were 18 names on it in the end, covering the period April 2016 to the 'present day' (which was in January this year, if I recall correctly). Refer to that list. I am not going to post it again.

This list of names you produced, when was I ever talking to any of them at length? And when did I post to any of them and they did not respond? I'm sure you have plenty of examples of this?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
This list of names you produced, when was I ever talking to any of them at length? And when did I post to any of them and they did not respond? I'm sure you have plenty of examples of this?

Take a look at the list and dissect it to your heart's content. You may well find some of the names I've listed are a bit of a stretch. I'll be willing to concede that this is so if you make the case 'against' any of the people I listed.

Originally posted by @fmf
Take a look at the list and dissect it to your heart's content. You may well find some of the names I've listed are a bit of a stretch. I'll be willing to concede that this is so if you make the case 'against' any of the people I listed.

What case do you think I would want to make against any of them? I already told you why I reverted back to an old account after taking a long break. Talking to people who supposedly stopped talking to me was definitely not why I did it. In fact if anyone stopped talking to me it was probably because I wasn't commenting on any of their posts.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
No. I genuinely find it sad that you would think that.

Again, theists don't have a monopoly on valuing honesty.

If there is no absolute right and wrong why would an atheist logically choose not to lie if they would benefit from the lie and the lie was not harming anyone? Just because people have decided lying is bad and not because it really is bad? Why should an atheist follow human convention if they could benefit from lying and the lie doesn't harm anyone. Ponder on that for a while.