26 Apr 19
@divegeester said1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will, and Sosʹthe·nes our brother, 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,d their Lord and ours:
Why not post the rest of the passage so we can see that the context is not about doctrine it’s about leaders within the church.
Your welcome.
3 May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
4 I always thank my God for you in view of the undeserved kindness of God given to you in Christ Jesus; 5 because in everything you have been enriched in him, in full ability to speak and in full knowledge, 6 just as the witness about the Christ has been made firm among you, 7 so that you do not lack in any gift at all, while you are eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. 8 He will also make you firm to the end so that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into fellowship* with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 11 For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, that there are dissensions among you. 12 What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,”l “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 Is the Christ divided? Paul was not executed on the stake for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crisʹpusm and Gaʹius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephʹa·nas. As for the rest, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else. 17 For Christ sent me, not to baptize, but to declare the good news;p and not with wisdom of speech,* so that the torture stake* of the Christ should not be made useless.
So what are you referring to? If you look at verse 1 it says at the end that it applies not only to the "holy ones" but to anyone who calls on the name of Jesus everywhere", does it not?
So do you still stick to your claim that the word "unity" is not in the bible when speaking of Jesus true followers? If you still want many other scriptures that shows you are wrong, let me know.
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26 Apr 19
@galveston75 saidVerse 12 gives context, it’s about which leader they were referring to.
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will, and Sosʹthe·nes our brother, 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,d their Lord and ours:
3 May you have undeserved kindness ...[text shortened]... Jesus true followers? If you still want many other scriptures that shows you are wrong, let me know.
Paul and Peter disagreed hotly on occasion.
You are conflating unity of spirit with group think.
@divegeester saidRead more. Yes there was an issue between the two mentioned and yes there were ones divide in who they followed. Verse 10 clearly says do not do that as all are to be in union with all things spiritual. So....all of Jesus followers are to be in union. You may not like to be in union with anyone. That is your decision, but that is not who is following Jesus commands. You may not believe it can happen with the way all religions are today. Every church on every corner may teach some basics that are similar, but there is no solid unity among any of them. This can be seen here on this forum. No two here believe the same thing.....
Verse 12 gives context, it’s about which leader they were referring to.
Paul and Peter disagreed hotly on occasion.
You are conflating unity of spirit with group think.
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@galveston75 saidWell there is no “solid unity” in your religious organisation either, so I don’t really get what your point is other than to be attempting to somehow defend your cultist group-think.
Every church on every corner may teach some basics that are similar, but there is no solid unity among any of them. This can be seen here on this forum. No two here believe the same thing.....
I maintain that unity of the spirit is not unit of belief, there is probably not two people on the entire plant who share exactly the same beliefs.
Final point at this juncture...EVEN IF those scriptures meant what you are claiming they mean, I would find the idea of joining your church abhorrent, not because you are JWs but because you are told what to think.
27 Apr 19
@divegeester saidWrong again. I can walk into any Kingdom Hall on the planet and the same information will be discussed, questions asked and most comments will be the same. I could ask any Witness to explain any bible subject and their comments will be the same showing them by scriptures we all understand.
Well there is no “solid unity” in your religious organisation either, so I don’t really get what your point is other than to be attempting to somehow defend your cultist group-think.
I maintain that unity of the spirit is not unit of belief, there is probably not two people on the entire plant who share exactly the same beliefs.
Final point at this juncture...EVEN ...[text shortened]... ea of joining your church abhorrent, not because you are JWs but because you are told what to think.
The only time something would be questioned, which is fine if someone does, would no doubt be by someone who has just started studying which is to be expected.
I have been a Witness for 56 years and I do know what I'm talking about. How long have you been one?
@galveston75 saidSo the branches of your non-profit organization expel and then ostracize people who question the JW interpretation of the Bible, and you are here claiming the resulting uniformity was predicted by the Bible?
The only time something would be questioned, which is fine if someone does, would no doubt be by someone who has just started studying which is to be expected.
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27 Apr 19
@galveston75 saidOf course the laity comply, they are all scared of the consequences of questioning the leadership. Look at @Beauroberts in here, consider the disgraceful way that you a Robbie Carrobie treated him because he was politely speaking out in here about the gross mistreatment from your church. And why...because he has chosen to exercise his own conscience and take a blood transfusion during surgery!
Wrong again. I can walk into any Kingdom Hall on the planet and the same information will be discussed, questions asked and most comments will be the same. I could ask any Witness to explain any bible subject and their comments will be the same showing them by scriptures we all understand.
The only time something would be questioned, which is fine if someone does, woul ...[text shortened]... I have been a Witness for 56 years and I do know what I'm talking about. How long have you been one?
Furthermore you and Robbie were not aligned on the “personal conscience” thing. You are a hard liner claiming that not taking blood is a “command of God”, and Robbie is/was of the view that it is a matter of “personal conscience”. Your words and his.
Your claims of unity of the spirit may be correct, but it is not the spirit of Christ, that’s for sure.
@fmf saidPlease excuse my first thought here but are you really this dumb? It has been explained by myself to you many times and why can't you understand this?
So the branches of your non-profit organization expel and then ostracize people who question the JW interpretation of the Bible, and you are here claiming the resulting uniformity was predicted by the Bible?
Absolutely no one is ever disfellowshipped for asking any questions about anything we believe. Never, will not happen, not in your wildest dreams. Do you get that?
And never, never, never is anyone ostracized ever!! If that ever happened I would never be a JW.
Do you want to know why I know this as a fact? I know first hand as I have been disfellowshipped twice in my younger days for conduct unbecoming a Christian. Both of my children have both been disfellowshiped in their younger teenage years for conduct unbecoming a Christian.
So I know exactly what it means to be disfellowshipped. Not once were any of us ostracized in any way shape of form. It never even came close to that, ever. When were were disfellowshipped at our different times, there was not one brother or sister that did not have tears in their eyes including the elders when it was announced at the next meeting. We all have deep love for one another and we are all family. But yet when one makes a serious mistake and maybe at the time doesn't feel remorse, it is from the Bible God's word that one has to be removed. But that person is never rudely shunned, ever.
In fact it is extremely difficult to ignore anyone disfellowshiped. But that is needed to hopefully impress to all the congregation to keep themselves free from serious sin as well as the one that has gotten themselves into this position.
Now you may care less about anything I've said here bro, I don't care. But this is fact whether you grasp it or not.
Now if someone is disfellowshipped and they do not like the correction from the Bible or understand it and get mad, that is a clear sign that they were really not a dedicated person to Jehovah with their heart. If they don't understand or agree to the temporary removal of associating with the congregation, chances are they never had it in the heart anyway. Not everyone who studies or even gets baptized is ever really a follower of Jehovah.
So if you still insist on bringing this subject up "again", you'll know my answers on that and I will not respond to your misunderstood thoughts on this again.
It would be unbelievable if for once you stated fact, real truth on something you are so wrong on instead of making up lies on something you have not the slightest clue about.
27 Apr 19
@galveston75 saidI've heard it first hand from JWs.
Absolutely no one is ever disfellowshipped for asking any questions about anything we believe. Never, will not happen, not in your wildest dreams. Do you get that? And never, never, never is anyone ostracized ever!! If that ever happened I would never be a JW.
@galveston75 saidHey presto, and there you have your non-profit corporation's "unison" that you claim the Bible was referring to specifically. Whose interpretation of "the correction from the Bible" is the one you go with? The believers' interpretation? Or your non-profit corporation's interpretation?
Now if someone is disfellowshipped and they do not like the correction from the Bible or understand it and get mad, that is a clear sign that they were really not a dedicated person to Jehovah with their heart.
28 Apr 19
@fmf saidLol. It's funny how so many here praised you to death in a previous thread. But the problem with you is you have no moral sense or even possibly common sense. Anyone here that tries to reason with you on the easiest subject to do with spirituality and you are so lost. What a waist of time you, dive dude and Rajk are.
Hey presto, and there you have your non-profit corporation's "unison" that you claim the Bible was referring to specifically. Whose interpretation of "the correction from the Bible" is the one you go with? The believers' interpretation? Or your non-profit corporation's interpretation?
@fmf saidI can guarantee they were never JW's. If they were they would see Jehovah's view in the Bible and on what they did and repent from it and understand why they were disfellowshipped.
I've heard it first hand from JWs.
Hebrews 12:11
11 True, no discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but it is painful;* yet afterward, it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
But you have no idea what this scripture means do you?
@galveston75 saidThis is an ad hominem offered instead of referring to the content of my post.
Lol. It's funny how so many here praised you to death in a previous thread. But the problem with you is you have no moral sense or even possibly common sense. Anyone here that tries to reason with you on the easiest subject to do with spirituality and you are so lost. What a waist of time you, dive dude and Rajk are.
The content of my post was about your claims regarding "unison"