Born this way

@chaney3 said
I believe it is natural, and not a choice.
And if I believe in God, I cannot see this as wrong (or sin), because God created us.I dispute the Bible.

And? So what? Define your God figure how you see fit. Approach the issue of homosexuality as you see fit.

@chaney3 said
In addition, if being gay is sin, and the punishment is an eternity in hell, who would choose that?

Who says the punishment for being gay is "an eternity in hell"? If you don't think homosexuality is wrong and you don't believe the punishment for being gay is "an eternity in hell", what is the problem?

@fmf said
And? So what? Define your God figure how you see fit. Approach the issue of homosexuality as you see fit.

It is NOT for you to decide what one should decide to think.

You are very conceited!!!!!!

Please don't talk to me anymore, because I always regret it!!!!!!

@chaney3 said
It is NOT for you to decide what one should decide to think.

You are very conceited!!!!!!

What on Earth are you on about?

This whole thread is about you asking people to tell you what to think.

If you don't believe in the Christian God or in Christian beliefs, why are you asking people what you should think about the Christian God or Christian beliefs?

If whatever you perceive some religious beliefs about homosexuality to be ~ and you don't think they make sense, so be it.

If you think gays will be punished with "an eternity in hell", so be it.

If you don't think gays will be punished with "an eternity in hell", so be it.

Why are you asking people what to think?

@chaney3 said
Please don't talk to me anymore, because I always regret it!!!!!!

I suggest you go and sleep it off.

@chaney3 said
Does anyone feel that if a person is attracted to the same sex, that they were born that way? And if so, how can God condem such a person if He, in fact, created them?

There must be a point when not everything one reads in the Bible can be true, despite the desire to push aside all reason and human nature, and just declare it a sin. (And how easy it is, for a heterosexual ...[text shortened]... the Bible literally, on all debatable topics, would mean that slavery should be okay. (For example)

People are born with a love for liquor or violence, and they are expected to work with those circumstances.

Some people are even born with a sort of sexual addiction that is purely heterosexual.

We all have some kind of cross to bear.

@rajk999 said
Paedophiles attracted to little girls are also "born this way". So are kleptomaniacs, "born this way", so are men with 1 wife and 10 outside women.

I doubt you have any corroborated research based evidence for these claims.

@divegeester said
I doubt you have any corroborated research based evidence for these claims.

All sexual desire, whether or not it is accepted by society, is hard-wired into a person's DNA. All sexual conduct, whether it is deviant behaviour or not, is still the person's responsibility. There is no excuse that will hold water in the day of judgment. Only God knows the truth about a persons struggles and will judge righteously.

@chaney3 said
A restart.

Anyone care to make a relevant comment on the OP?

I do find it interesting how often people seem to use the bible as justification for their own prejudices. Whether these prejudices preexist or stem from their belief is not always clear, but it does appear to me that, for some people at least, christianity may be an identity they cleave to because it echoes some of their darker subconscious inclinations and provides a cloak of decency with which to shroud them.

@rajk999 said
All sexual desire, whether or not it is accepted by society, is hard-wired into a person's DNA. All sexual conduct, whether it is deviant behaviour or not, is still the person's responsibility. There is no excuse that will hold water in the day of judgment. Only God knows the truth about a persons struggles and will judge righteously.

You don't see a problem with this?

@avalanchethecat said
You don't see a problem with this?

No. But instead of asking a question, make response in which you tell me what is wrong about my statement. [Eg. The problem with what you said Rajk is that .... ] SPEAK... dont cross question. I dont cross question anyone. I provide my opinion. You provide me with yours in simple terms without resorting to calling names, because Im better at doing that than most people.

@avalanchethecat said
I do find it interesting how often people seem to use the bible as justification for their own prejudices. Whether these prejudices preexist or stem from their belief is not always clear, but it does appear to me that, for some people at least, christianity may be an identity they cleave to because it echoes some of their darker subconscious inclinations and provides a cloak of decency with which to shroud them.

It is not prejudice to call a sin a sin. If I identify a lie, saying it is a lie is not prejudice.

@rajk999 said
No. But instead of asking a question, make response in which you tell me what is wrong about my statement. [Eg. The problem with what you said Rajk is that .... ] SPEAK... dont cross question. I dont cross question anyone. I provide my opinion. You provide me with yours in simple terms without resorting to calling names, because Im better at doing that than most people.

If I ask a question it is because I am interested in the response it might elicit. If a question is asked of me, I will do my best to answer it. In referring to your obvious distaste for homosexual activity between men as a prejudice, I am not name-calling. We are all human, and we all feel prejudice within ourselves.

The problem which occurs to me, given that one's sexuality is innate as appears to be largely the case, is that your religion effectively prohibits with threat sexual activity for a certain sector of the population with no reason other than 'god' finds it offensive. In my experience, limited as that may be, I have generally found this particular prejudice most loudly voiced by people whom one would scarcely consider civilized at all, let alone 'godly'.

@avalanchethecat said
If I ask a question it is because I am interested in the response it might elicit. If a question is asked of me, I will do my best to answer it. In referring to your obvious distaste for homosexual activity between men as a prejudice, I am not name-calling. We are all human, and we all feel prejudice within ourselves.

The problem which occurs to me, given that one' ...[text shortened]... e most loudly voiced by people whom one would scarcely consider civilized at all, let alone 'godly'.

I mentioned before that some sexuality [also innate] involves abuse of minors and sex with animals. Therefore if I were to point out that these activities are sinful then you will also call me prejudice. So your labelling me prejudiced, or uncivilized or even ungodly are all meaningless. Professed Christians should be promoting the word of God rather than succumbing to social pressure to conform to lower standards of personal conduct, than what God prescribed. Many of the clergy are failures in this regard, and they will reap what they sow.