The "born that way" argument may be of little practical relevance.
Say it turns out that a small few people are inclined to be sociopaths, or pedophiles. Clearly, we must condemn those people for acting on those urges, even though they are built-in.
I do not want to give the impression that I am in any way conflating these two examples with homosexuality. I'm just pointing out that a small few people may be wired in an unfortunate way, such that the "born that way" argument fails.
I do not think the argument is needed to defend consensual homosexuality. Consenting adults ought to be able to do what (or whom) they want.
@bigdoggproblem saidNice post. In many countries homosexuals can do do what they want. They live their life as they please and even get married. What is the problem?
The "born that way" argument may be of little practical relevance.
Say it turns out that a small few people are inclined to be sociopaths, or pedophiles. Clearly, we must condemn those people for acting on those urges, even though they are built-in.
I do not want to give the impression that I am in any way conflating these two examples with homosexuality. I'm jus ...[text shortened]... defend consensual homosexuality. Consenting adults ought to be able to do what (or whom) they want.
@avalanchethecat saidIm not going to go back and read everything I wrote, but Im pretty sure I never said I had a problem with it. I said the bible says that God calls it a sin. But you are welcome to check and see.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you were the one who had a problem with it.
@rajk999 saidWell ok, but you certainly gave that impression when you were repeatedly equating it with child-rape and bestiality. Or do you not have a problem with those things? No, of course you do. I think you're tacking now you've seen the wind's against you.
Im not going to go back and read everything I wrote, but Im pretty sure I never said I had a problem with it. I said the bible says that God calls it a sin. But you are welcome to check and see.
@avalanchethecat saidAs far as sins of the bible are concerned, I will continue to equate all these in the same category, as they are all sins. I personally dont have a problem with any sins committed by people I do not know, since that is Gods responsibility to deal with at the appropriate time.
Well ok, but you certainly gave that impression when you were repeatedly equating it with child-rape and bestiality. Or do you not have a problem with those things? No, of course you do. I think you're tacking now you've seen the wind's against you.
However, I can and will use my personal judgment to determine how I feel about an individual based on what sins I see or know that he is committing, and I did mention this before. Hope that clears it up.
As for your 'wind against me' comment, Im not someone who gives in to social pressure which is an example of what is going on here. The poster who started this thread is trying to browbeat people into agreeing with him and to say that homosexuality is Gods fault and that since this is the case then people are born this way and therefore it is not a sin, and Christians must accept that. That kind of foolish comment and behaviour does not sway me in the least.
@rajk999 saidIt is monstrous, in my opinion, to equate these things, and it troubles me somewhat that as an avowed christian you cannot perceive the massive disparity, regardless of your interpretation of your scripture.
As far as sins of the bible are concerned, I will continue to equate all these in the same category, as they are all sins. I personally dont have a problem with any sins committed by people I do not know, since that is Gods responsibility to deal with at the appropriate time.
However, I can and will use my personal judgment to determine how I feel about an individual ba ...[text shortened]... ristians must accept that. That kind of foolish comment and behaviour does not sway me in the least.
I'm not quite sure what it is you say you hope you have 'cleared up'. What seems clear to me is that you harbour quite powerful negative feelings towards homosexual men for some reason, but are unable or unwilling to consider this problematic because you find justification in scripture. Personally, were I so afflicted, I would consider those feelings quite carefully and attempt to understand what was going on in my mind, but of course you are under no obligation to do so.